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Short Hand · 07-11-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jujumantb

adire audio

Which would you prefer ?

A Brahma or XXX ?

A Timult or MT ?

jujumantb · 07-11-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jujumantb

adire audio

Which would you prefer ?

A Brahma or XXX ?

A Timult or MT ?[/quote:e9224]
Brahma and XXX are EXTREMELY similar. Both use the XBL^2 motor, IIRC, the XXX may have a mm or 2 more xmax. They are supposed to sound almost exactly the same, though I think the brahma works in smaller boxes.

The Tumult is very much a home audio sub, but so was the shiva

Very low fs and great SQ, I believe it also uses XBL^2. The MT is basically an SPL sub, RE reps have said numerous times its not ideal for a daily driver application, they dont even offer a warranty on it. Two VERY different drivers, but I guess I'd take the Tumult, you dont see many of those in cars.

Short Hand · 07-11-2005, 03:23 PM

Shiva = Adire's lower end stuff, I never knew it produced such value @ that price . Adire did develop the XBL2 tech ? Ik now jbl uses it in the w7 line and the same with RE. I would never purchase a timult or MT though, I would reserve either of them for a show car if I ever get around to making one*.

jujumantb · 07-11-2005, 03:31 PM

[quote="Short Hand":a1d61]Shiva = Adire's lower end stuff, I never knew it produced such value @ that price . Adire did develop the XBL2 tech ? Ik now jbl uses it in the w7 line and the same with RE. I would never purchase a timult or MT though, I would reserve either of them for a show car if I ever get around to making one*.[/quote:a1d61]
Well yeah the shiva is one of the cheaper offerings by adire, but its not low-end in the scheme of things by any means. It gained its fame in home audio, then people started putting them in their cars and figured out they sound great, just need big boxes. And yes, Dan and Adire Audio patented the XBL^2 motor, basically its a design with two seperate gaps so that the motor retains its strength even at high levels of excursion, VERY flat BL curve, it can also be used in midwoofer applications (RE's XXX mids) and in tweeters. You mean JL's W7 line? No, it doesnt use XBL^2, iirc, it uses a "heavily modded" underhung motor design which also produces a very flat BL curve. The W7 is often said to sound more natural than XBL^2 drivers, what that means is your call, I've played around with them and I honestly cant hear a big difference in sound, they all are extremly clean, loud, and accurate.

Short Hand · 07-11-2005, 03:59 PM

Are you looking forward to ED's new "project" sub coming out ? (I forgot the name) I recently got to watch a video of one being tested in their facility, the excursion was beyond anything I have ever seen (Not that it means anything.) I am a bit in cunfusion though, after the whole usage of Lightining Audio's baskets and poor poor customer support. (Horror storys of replacing subs instead of repairing them)

jujumantb · 07-11-2005, 09:52 PM

[quote="Short Hand":7526e]Are you looking forward to ED's new "project" sub coming out ? (I forgot the name) I recently got to watch a video of one being tested in their facility, the excursion was beyond anything I have ever seen (Not that it means anything.) I am a bit in cunfusion though, after the whole usage of Lightining Audio's baskets and poor poor customer support. (Horror storys of replacing subs instead of repairing them)[/quote:7526e]
I'm not aware of this sub, unelss you are talking about the new A series which I believe is still in development. Baskets dont mean anything, no smaller company tools their own baskets, I doubt they were lightning audio's anyways, maybe the same ones lighting audio uses.. but a basket's only function is to hold the stuff together. After all, their are only like 5 buildhouses in the united states, most companies get their parts form them, only the big dogs like JL, MTX, and a few others tool all their own parts. About the replacing subs, that was basically not ED's fault. Their old flat cones subs were great, the porblem was their supplier of the cones was not reliable and so they ended up being backed up with orders and no subs to ship, this is why they switched to the new lineup we have now, so now, when an old flat cone goes out of commision, ED doesnt have those parts to repair the sub, so they usually offer a refund or a replacement sub of the new lineup. The new lineup is in all respects better than the old one. Instead of the old A series (best), we have the new O series which performs even better. The old O has no new comparison, it was a sealed only driver and not extremely popular. THe old K is now the new K with, again, better performance. Alot of people dont like ED, but you'll find that mostly their hate is not based off experience, but a few respected guys who blew things out of proportions, mainly Ben's (ED CEO) old really good friend Josh Laine who felt Ben cheated him... I've nothing but good things to say about ED, I got to meet Ben and was one of the first to see the flat cones in action, Josh had one in his car at the time.

Short Hand · 07-14-2005, 02:02 AM

Josh posts over @ the hardforum.com car audio section I beleive, not to sure, OR it may have been a freind of his... Performance will be the deciding factor in my decision when I make revisions to my system in October. Ill prob be parting out my box and subs then, I am going to a bandpass getup with a single w7 or brahma... maybe even a type X... (I have heard to many good things about this gen).

***** I don't have a premium membership @ the hardforum, so I cant go back into the archeives and get the vid's link...

Short Hand · 07-14-2005, 02:12 AM

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=102 ... stcount=66

+ older vids featuring the RE prototype & what looks like a stroker with a PA badge.... weird.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=102 ... stcount=67

I found the exact post with the vids, the protoype in action etc, You have probably seen these though.

jujumantb · 07-14-2005, 03:15 AM

[quote="Short Hand":44baa]Josh posts over @ the hardforum.com car audio section I beleive, not to sure, OR it may have been a freind of his... Performance will be the deciding factor in my decision when I make revisions to my system in October. Ill prob be parting out my box and subs then, I am going to a bandpass getup with a single w7 or brahma... maybe even a type X... (I have heard to many good things about this gen).

***** I don't have a premium membership @ the hardforum, so I cant go back into the archeives and get the vid's link...

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bandpass annoy: Ported for loud sealed for SQ unless you are a pro box builder who can design a decent bandpass... even then , they have the worst transient response of just about any box, ugly SQ.

Short Hand · 07-14-2005, 04:38 AM

No, I won't be building it if I go BP, my installer will be.. They guy opened his shop in 71, I will trust him when it coems to building a proper box up to specs. The thing I adore about BP boxes is the efficiency of the whole setup in the first place, (Power Handling).So i can hear the bass perfectly @ low volume) I would get far to frustrated and out of my league building a good BP box, but I am more then sure my installer can get something perfect going... + a good notch filter can almost completely cure the whole transient response issue. rock: It all depends on what i feel like @ the time of upgrading... will I go BP.. there is a good chance, but there is still a chance ill go sealed or ported etc etc etc.

ninty · 07-14-2005, 03:44 PM

I sent both juju and short a pm but i'm not sure if its workng so i'll post this here for you guys too.

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I;ve been looking at some component speakers and I am now thinking that this is the way to go for the front doors.

I was looking at these:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-B2LNHcBFfz ... =107DB6500

I've bought the 6X9's for the back, (which maybe I shouldn't have done but oh well) and bought the pioneer head unit.

I think I will purchase a set of components for the front and run all the interior speakers off the deck for now.

I'm still thinking of going with the infinity 10's, but instead of a 4 channel amp, i'm thinking of going monoblock.

What i'm looking at is:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r0aO8GeYx6 ... =037A8000T

800 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms

Its only 2 ohms so i'd have to go with the 10.1 not the 10.1d.

After that's done, i'll look at getting a 4 channel for the interior speakers so I can hook them all up. That'll probably be 100wX4.

Does that make sense and actually sound about right?

Jimmy Paterson · 07-14-2005, 03:56 PM

my brothers car just got broken into they took his box sub and smashed his radio up

jujumantb · 07-14-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty

I sent both juju and short a pm but i'm not sure if its workng so i'll post this here for you guys too.

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I;ve been looking at some component speakers and I am now thinking that this is the way to go for the front doors.

I was looking at these:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-B2LNHcBFfz ... =107DB6500

I've bought the 6X9's for the back, (which maybe I shouldn't have done but oh well) and bought the pioneer head unit.

I think I will purchase a set of components for the front and run all the interior speakers off the deck for now.

I'm still thinking of going with the infinity 10's, but instead of a 4 channel amp, i'm thinking of going monoblock.

What i'm looking at is:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r0aO8GeYx6 ... =037A8000T

800 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms

Its only 2 ohms so i'd have to go with the 10.1 not the 10.1d.

After that's done, i'll look at getting a 4 channel for the interior speakers so I can hook them all up. That'll probably be 100wX4.

Does that make sense and actually sound about right?

Sounds good, I've never heard those polks but they should be alright. I would recommend these CDTs though, MANY people run them (including me) and they are simply the best $150 components out right now, they will really shine if you ever put them on an amp later on. TheZeb is a great company aswell, great customer service.
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ninty · 07-14-2005, 05:25 PM

These ones?

http://www.thezeb.com/p-CDT-Audio-CL-61 ... 101083.htm

Also, my 6X9's are 2ohms and those are 4 ohms. what amp can I hook those up to?

100RMS X 4 @ ? ohm

Short Hand · 07-14-2005, 05:36 PM

CDT > all others for sure. I am in love with my CL 62's, I can't wait to get them amped as well, running them off deck power is a shame.