[guarnere]

[quote="Zap. USMC":e220b]Yeah I watched the one with the Russian soldier. It was equally disgusting and bad as well but the thing that really freaked me out about this one was the screaming and the sounds he made.

Remind me not to take any prisoners when I get deployed mad:[/quote:e220b]

Fucking amen dude. rock: Show them what pay back feels like.

[Eames]

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put this man in control of our occupation forces in iraq and ALL resistance would cease within 1 month and we would stop taking casualties after the 2nd week. this man was the master of occupation and counter-insurgency tactics...if he wouldnt have been assinated he would have purged the reich of all partisans, his methods were that good.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by Eames

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put this man in control of our occupation forces in iraq and ALL resistance would cease within 1 month and we would stop taking casualties after the 2nd week. this man was the master of occupation and counter-insurgency tactics...if he wouldnt have been assinated he would have purged the reich of all partisans, his methods were that good.

eames some problesm with that....



1. He is a nazi

2. Brutal Tactics.

3. Were not Nazi's

[Maplegyver]

4. he is dead

[TonyMontana]

Originally Posted by maple

4. he is dead

best point

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by maple

4. he is dead

this is why you are god maple.

[Maplegyver]

[quote="Short Hand":7d9d6][quote=maple]4. he is dead[/quote]

this is why you are god maple.[/quote:7d9d6]

rock:

flame war
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[Eames]

you seem to forget, people from the middle east arent like civilized westerners, they are no where near civilized in the western sinse, islam is 7th century arabian culture turned into a religon....the people in iraq...or anywhere in the middle east will never except democracy or anything from the west, except for maybe our weapons. you saw the video, this is the enemy...they dont wear uniforms, they target civilians, and they kill us....1 american at a time. And they video tape it, send it to the united states and watch as we cry about "the barbarism of our enemies" and "how we can never win against such a determined enemy as this"...which is complete bullshit, we could completly stabilize and secure the ENTIRE country within a month if we set our minds to it and let our soldiers fight a war instead of playing cops and robbers with an enemy who can brutalize our guys and get away with it. the sad thing is they know they can get away with it, they know because of arogant civilian moralist back here in the united states wouldnt tolerate retaliations, because they think its "imorale" and they know that the president wont authorize any strikes that might destroy civilians, religous, or historical sites, because that would anger the arogant moralists who he needs to be re-elected. The truely immorale thing is that we have troops dieing needlessly because they have their hands tied behind there back. the fucking muslims know that as soon as they start killing americans the weak will start to cry and demand our withdrawl and they know that the president has to withdraw to save his political career. because of this we are seen as weak, around the world....the greatest military force on earth, and we are taking shit from a bunch of raghead camel jockeys flaunting about allah while they brandish there ak-47's, ITS BULLSHIT. untie the hands of our military and let them engage there enemies, let them make an example out of iraqis about our willingness to complete our mission, and how resistance will not be tolerated, aiding resistors will not be tolerated...and more importantly remind them that westerners conquered the world once and imposed our wills on lesser peoples, and we still have the power to do it again, we can be much more efficent in our brutality against them, its the only things barbarians respond to is barbary...the entire militant islamic movement could be whipped out easily if we became more brutal, its just a question of our resolve to do so....i link it to the decesion to drop the atomic bomb on japan to end ww2, yes its brutal...yes alot of innocent people are going to die, but in the end it will not only save the lives of our troops, but the lives of the enemy as well.

[Short Hand]

So like your nazi idle your saying we should find the nearest Iraq city and shoot everysingle person publicly then bunr it to the ground while luanching tank shells into the buildings ?

These ain't passive Serbians or Greek Resistance, These are Religious fundamentalists who will die to the very last for this shit. They aren't Serbians from 1940. This is a lot diffrent, the more you bite these guyz the more enraged they feel thus they promise more and do more, Take Isreal as an example. Missle Attack and agression have bruaght nothing but more attacks and more death, Im quite sure if they would give Gaza to the Palestinains and worked out a neutral area etc, etc and went quiet for 30 years all tension would cease, seem though logical solutions are never practiced in our "practical world".

[TonyMontana]

face it..it will never end

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by TonyMontana

face it..it will never end

Thing is it will. The Solution just seems impossible. rock:

[Eames]

[quote="Short Hand":dda2f]So like your nazi idle your saying we should find the nearest Iraq city and shoot everysingle person publicly then bunr it to the ground while luanching tank shells into the buildings ?

These ain't passive Serbians or Greek Resistance, These are Religious fundamentalists who will die to the very last for this shit. They aren't Serbians from 1940. This is a lot diffrent, the more you bite these guyz the more enraged they feel thus they promise more and do more, Take Isreal as an example. Missle Attack and agression have bruaght nothing but more attacks and more death, Im quite sure if they would give Gaza to the Palestinains and worked out a neutral area etc, etc and went quiet for 30 years all tension would cease, seem though logical solutions are never practiced in our "practical world".[/quote:dda2f]

if israel would eliminate the palistinians by either killing them or deporting them, there problems would be solved, and they arent targeting palastinians as nearly as much as they could...because the pussy islamists hide behind civilians and mosques so they cant be touched. get rid of all the limits on our use of force, if we did that...it wouldnt matter how many muslims wanted to jihad against us, it would be a masacure...they would just be mowed down. right now they hide in cities and urban areas where we cant use our tanks, artillery, or air power because of "collaterol damage". fuck it, if they hide in cities reduce them to the ground kill them all. the "submit or die" aproach always works...after you make enough examples to show people that you mean buisness they will stop resisting. look at the 3 historic conquerors of the middle east, alexander the great, rome, and the mongols. they all basicly did the same thing...aproach a city demand its surrender, if they resisted they were all killed or sold into slavery. if the city submitted...then puppet regimes would be installed and ordered to rule the city in your name, if the city revolted the army would march in and sack the city. and dont talk to me about religous fervor making them never submit....you forget the mongols whipped out many great islamic empires who were at the height of there religous zeal. when they see there cities being masacured....common sense takes over, and they dont resist.

[Madmartagen]

Eames stfu, Reinhard Heydrich was an idiot, and was assassinated. Adm. Canaris pwns his ass from the grave.

I havent seen the video and I dont want to. I saw the Daniel Pearl video and thought that was enough for me. Islamic fundamentalists have been like this for decades, but they arent the only ones who have ever slit someones throat. Why do you think there are serrated knives in just about every military? The difference between us and them is that we dont target civilians on purpose. We could go in and kill every man, woman and child. Burn the houses down, dismantle the oil pipes, burn their farms and annhiliate their topsoil with nuclear bombs, but that makes us just as bad as they are, and i dont mean it in that gay ass 9 year old tattletale in school way. Why is it that some of you stand by your morals at home but seem to think its ok to set them aside when overseas? You wont allow gay marriages or abortions because they are immoral, but you are willing to kill everything without any remorse at all, despite the objections of 'arrogant moralists.' Not all Iraqis or middle eastern peoples behave the same way as the people on the video. This whole mess was forseen from the beginning and I find it hard to believe that anyone never thought we would have to fight partisans in Iraq. Lets just see what happens now.

[Short Hand]

[quote=Eames]

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":1d2e1

So like your nazi idle your saying we should find the nearest Iraq city and shoot everysingle person publicly then bunr it to the ground while luanching tank shells into the buildings ?

These ain't passive Serbians or Greek Resistance, These are Religious fundamentalists who will die to the very last for this shit. They aren't Serbians from 1940. This is a lot diffrent, the more you bite these guyz the more enraged they feel thus they promise more and do more, Take Isreal as an example. Missle Attack and agression have bruaght nothing but more attacks and more death, Im quite sure if they would give Gaza to the Palestinains and worked out a neutral area etc, etc and went quiet for 30 years all tension would cease, seem though logical solutions are never practiced in our "practical world".

if israel would eliminate the palistinians by either killing them or deporting them, there problems would be solved, and they arent targeting palastinians as nearly as much as they could...because the pussy islamists hide behind civilians and mosques so they cant be touched. get rid of all the limits on our use of force, if we did that...it wouldnt matter how many muslims wanted to jihad against us, it would be a masacure...they would just be mowed down. right now they hide in cities and urban areas where we cant use our tanks, artillery, or air power because of "collaterol damage". fuck it, if they hide in cities reduce them to the ground kill them all. the "submit or die" aproach always works...after you make enough examples to show people that you mean buisness they will stop resisting. look at the 3 historic conquerors of the middle east, alexander the great, rome, and the mongols. they all basicly did the same thing...aproach a city demand its surrender, if they resisted they were all killed or sold into slavery. if the city submitted...then puppet regimes would be installed and ordered to rule the city in your name, if the city revolted the army would march in and sack the city. and dont talk to me about religous fervor making them never submit....you forget the mongols whipped out many great islamic empires who were at the height of there religous zeal. when they see there cities being masacured....common sense takes over, and they dont resist.[/quote:1d2e1]

what about morals ethics ????? They are whatv keep us from becoming the so called uncivilized peopel you refer to them as. If we do what you say I would consider us below the cowards how blow themselves up in a crowded Grocery Market. Google Kohlberg's Theory of Moral Developement and place yourself on the chart.... MOrals or beleifes are which keep this world from falling into some hell hole.

Originally Posted by Eames

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put this man in control of our occupation forces in iraq and ALL resistance would cease within 1 month and we would stop taking casualties after the 2nd week. this man was the master of occupation and counter-insurgency tactics...if he wouldnt have been assinated he would have purged the reich of all partisans, his methods were that good.

if he was that good why did the goddamn kraut bastards not manage to kill off a few Yugoslav, French and Russian/Soviet partisans??? Considering the gulf in manpower and equipment the partisans OWNED the krauts.

The krauts could murder 100 innocent civilians per every soldier and that only made the resistance more angry and more effective; they mounted bolder and bolder raids until the Americans, British, and Russians finally handed the nazis ass to them on a platter.