Two year old killed by airgun. - Page 5

03-07-2005, 04:02 PM

[quote="Chris Rock":6f1e9]
Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.
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Totally agree with that one ^

Coleman · 03-07-2005, 04:10 PM

[quote=Acideyez]

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Originally Posted by "Chris Rock":ff9a8

Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.

Totally agree with that one ^[/quote:ff9a8]that'd definately break some laws of economics right there. For that to ever happen, you would have to make bullets very rare as well.

Colonel · 03-07-2005, 04:20 PM

Tripper, I'm sure New Zealand is a wonderful place to live. However I would assume that much of the difference between there and here is a combination of cultural differences (I can elaborate if you need me to) and population density. New Zealand has four million people spread out over a country the size of the UK. The UK has fifteen times as many people. The US is about the size of Australia and has a popluation approaching 300 million.

BTW - I may be reading these charts wrong, but according to this site (http://www.police.govt.nz/service/stati ... /calendar/) New Zealand has about 110 violent crimes per ten thousand people.

According to this site (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm) the US had about 506 crimes in the "violent" column per 100,000 people. I may be reading this chart wrong too for all I know but it seems like New Zealand is not much safer, if any, than the US as a whole. (But congrats on the declining Overall rate and the steady increase in the rate of Solved cases!)

It may not seem like an imposition to you that you are not allowed to own a gun because you've never had that freedom, but to us that have enjoyed going hunting with our dads, or going to the pistol range with our daughters (I've enjoyed both scenarios), or have protected ourselves from a home invasion (as my 78 year old dad had to do a couple of years ago), any talk of taking away our right to own a gun causes the hair on our necks to stand up. Couple that with our national history of citizens using their own guns to fight for our freedom and you have a culture that a person who has lived their life in New Zealand, or Japan, or Germany, or even the UK cannot understand.

Tripper · 03-07-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Colonel

Tripper, I'm sure New Zealand is a wonderful place to live. However I would assume that much of the difference between there and here is a combination of cultural differences (I can elaborate if you need me to) and population density. New Zealand has four million people spread out over a country the size of the UK. The UK has fifteen times as many people. The US is about the size of Australia and has a popluation approaching 300 million.

BTW - I may be reading these charts wrong, but according to this site (http://www.police.govt.nz/service/stati ... /calendar/) New Zealand has about 110 violent crimes per ten thousand people.

According to this site (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm) the US had about 506 crimes in the "violent" column per 100,000 people. I may be reading this chart wrong too for all I know but it seems like New Zealand is not much safer, if any, than the US as a whole. (But congrats on the declining Overall rate and the steady increase in the rate of Solved cases!)

It may not seem like an imposition to you that you are not allowed to own a gun because you've never had that freedom, but to us that have enjoyed going hunting with our dads, or going to the pistol range with our daughters (I've enjoyed both scenarios), or have protected ourselves from a home invasion (as my 78 year old dad had to do a couple of years ago), any talk of taking away our right to own a gun causes the hair on our necks to stand up. Couple that with our national history of citizens using their own guns to fight for our freedom and you have a culture that a person who has lived their life in New Zealand, or Japan, or Germany, or even the UK cannot understand.

Sure, I absolutely agree.

That's why we're not being "neutered" by our own govt. That was my point from the beginning. I thought it was really ignorant and stupid of Stackem to try and propose that we were having our rights taken from us, just because we have strict gun laws, unlike the U.S....

P.S: I <3 Akuma.

Pyro · 03-07-2005, 04:44 PM

[quote=Tripper]

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Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":ffe21

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Originally Posted by geRV

Canadian gun laws id assume are like uk ones? Over here owning a gun requires a big metal box to keep it in, really small calibre rifles and shotguns are allowed here and not much else. Usually culchies getting them for farms, thats about it really.

how does it feel to be nuetered by your govt? It worked well in Germany. freak:

Goddamn that's an ignorant statement if ever I saw one. Our gun laws are similar down here to the UK, and I'll tell you what: It's fucking sweet. Cops don't even need to carry guns. There's pretty much no gun crimes at all.

There's your "nuetered" nation.[/quote:ffe21]

The way it should fucking be.

to the person who brought up cars...

speeding is illegal....it is fun to speed but it is illegal...so if it is fun to shoot a gun alot...it should be illegal to do so. Then at least you can have a chance to be caught...instead of all out letting people do it.

What if some kid was playing around and just happened to come on your property and you shoot them with your semi automatic weapon...what you gonna say the kid deserved it they were trespassing i can shoot any fucking gun I want?

Sgt>Stackem · 03-07-2005, 05:13 PM

sorry to disagree with you but rights are being taken away in most countries. You can call me ignorant and stupid if you like just because you dont see eye to eye on this. If you had a clue you would know Im right and your wrong. This isnt hapening over night its a slow process. For Canada C-68 is a perfect example. http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... asp?ID=267
Austrailia
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... sp?ID=1129

again, we will never agree about this, we see it in a very different light. Our countries have different sets of rules. What I would call normal, you may have never seen and vise/versa.

Tripper · 03-07-2005, 05:59 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":30014]sorry to disagree with you but rights are being taken away in most countries. You can call me ignorant and stupid if you like just because you dont see eye to eye on this. If you had a clue you would know Im right and your wrong. This isnt hapening over night its a slow process. For Canada C-68 is a perfect example. [url="http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=267"]http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... asp?ID=267[/url]
Austrailia
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informat ... sp?ID=1129

again, we will never agree about this, we see it in a very different light. Our countries have different sets of rules. What I would call normal, you may have never seen and vise/versa.[/quote:30014]

Well I don't consider owning a gun a right, it's a privilige. That opinion is a product of my society/my country.

My society, including the government AREN'T out to get me. That opinion is also a product of the society I live in....So really your opinions on the issue hold no weight, because your opinions are crossing the realm of American society into MY society. Not the other way around. I understand why you think like you do about guns because I know alot about your countries history....and I understand about gun culture in the U.S.

So I can assure you, no rights are being lost down here. We're doing just fine and feel no oppression if we aren't allowed to own an automatic weapon. I speak on behalf of pretty much everyone I know from New Zealand. Moderate left and right.

Drew · 03-07-2005, 06:05 PM

Seems like this thread has turned a bit political. Any objections to it being moved to the appropriate forum?

snipes · 03-07-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

Seems like this thread has turned a bit political. Any objections to it being moved to the appropriate forum?

After reading the last 4 pages...no.

Arkan · 03-07-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

Seems like this thread has turned a bit political. Any objections to it being moved to the appropriate forum?

No, lets keep it here even though it got off track a bit.

03-07-2005, 08:17 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":4a905]sorry to disagree with you but rights are being taken away in most countries.[/quote:4a905]

how can you take away something someone never had?

lasagna · 03-07-2005, 08:18 PM

[quote=Acideyez]

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Originally Posted by "Chris Rock":8deb4

Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.

Totally agree with that one ^[/quote:8deb4]

dont you hunt? sleeping: rolleyes:

Coleman · 03-07-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyro

What if some kid was playing around and just happened to come on your property and you shoot them with your semi automatic weapon...what you gonna say the kid deserved it they were trespassing i can shoot any fucking gun I want?

Well there is something that protects against crimes like that called "use of excessive force". You are only permitted to use equal force when protecting yourself from danger. You can't knock out a burgler, tie him up, and then shoot him while he's unconscious.

03-07-2005, 08:36 PM

[quote=lasagna]

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Originally Posted by Acideyez

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Originally Posted by "Chris Rock":4c095

Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.

Totally agree with that one ^

dont you hunt? sleeping: rolleyes:[/quote:4c095]

yeah but with slugs, not bullets :P

if guns kill people
then pencils misspell words
and cars make people drive drunk
and spoons made rosie o'donnell fat

jujumantb · 03-07-2005, 08:44 PM

[quote=Coleman]

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Originally Posted by Acideyez

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Originally Posted by "Chris Rock":bcd71

Bullets should cost $10,000 so that way, gun violence goes down. Who would pay 10 thousand dollars for a bullet? Also, if a guy gets shot, he got shot for a damn good reason.

Totally agree with that one ^

that'd definately break some laws of economics right there. For that to ever happen, you would have to make bullets very rare as well.[/quote:bcd71]
Well the price would obviously be controlled by the government if it were to happen, which it wouldnt because it would be VERY easy to still get bullets from the black market. Not to mention our deer and other game populations would skyrocket with no hunters out there, plus bullet manufacturing companies would either go under or a few would get tons of government aid which is no good. Just a stupid idea that could never happen.