[elstatec]

[quote=c312]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Yeah, ok. Whe a country says, "I'm gonna bomb the hell out of you until your existance is over."...doesn't that ring off a bell that something may not be right. And they HAVE done numerous things...such as disregarding the UN in the first place.

Gotta love when people put some much faith in the UN yet don't care when people ignore it. ie: Iraq, Iran, etc.


And once again, WMDs was not the only reason we wanted to invade Iraq, other reasons were given BEFORE we invaded![/quote:23a75]

Iran ignoring it as they have will be dealt with, but ignoring the UN and illegally invading Iraq like the Coalition forces did is not the way unlike your feable mind believes.

And these WMDs that didnt exist were the major conflict issue as to Iraqs invasion, maybe Oil aswell but heck i dont see America invading North Korea, Zimbabwe, China etc for regime change to free their oppressed populations, spare me the bullshit.

[Coleman]

yep, invading China seems like a totally winnable operation without sending the world a ticket for a nuclear fireworks show.

[elstatec]

same situation different country, but a country that actually has nuclear weapons and also a much larger militarized arm, but oh they lack the same oil production as your middle eastern friends so Iran seems like the easiest next target sleeping:

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by elstatec

same situation different country, but a country that actually has nuclear weapons and also a much larger militarized arm, but oh they lack the same oil production as your middle eastern friends so Iran seems like the easiest next target sleeping:

fuck Iran. I'd rather go for England

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by Coleman

fuck Iran. I'd rather go for England

whatever happened to all the Insurgents from Syria, that a case for a whole invasion right there! Heck they might even have WMDs

[Trunks]

well, im not gonna read 5 pages worth of bickering just to make my post, so if i mention some things that have already been discussed, forgive me.

On one hand, I understand what people like elstatec are trying to say. Who put the US in charge? Why is the US throwing a hissy fit over Iran getting some nuclear weapons, when they themselves have enough to blow up the world 10 times over.

On the other hand, we have to be realistic. True the US has used weapons in a time of war. And lets face it. Weapons are made for two reasons. To be use to intimidate, and to be used, period. If you build weapons, eventually they will be used. And lets not kid ourselves. Iran/the president of Iran has clearly stated numerous times that he wants the destruction of Israel. Is a man who claims to want the destruction of an entire country, and even worse, an entire race, religion, is a man like that one who you would allow to possess nuclear weaponry?

Fact is, sooner or later, there will be a war. Not between a world power and a 3rd world country, but between world powers. Im willing to bet that when that time comes, the entire world will once again become a battleground. And Iran possessing nukes is just one extra thing that, if I was a leader of a world power, I would not want to deal with. Its an extra hassle to deal with. And that hassle can quickly turn into a deathtrap. This is something we can not be equal about. This is something we must be objective about.

Any country is a possible enemy in the future, and if they have nuclear arms that makes them even more dangerous. Not to mention that a country like Iran simply cannot be trusted. Iran is full of religious people. Very religious. And religious people believe when they die they will go to heaven. If they are killed, they become martyrs, heroes. Death is nothing to them. And those people are also the people calling for Israel to be eradicated. You think itll be just Israel? Today Israel, tommorrow America, no country is safe from nuclear weapons.

For the safety of our countries, and other countries around the world, we must not allow any more countries to possess such technologies.

[c312]

Originally Posted by elstatec

Iran ignoring it as they have will be dealt with, but ignoring the UN and illegally invading Iraq like the Coalition forces did is not the way unlike your feable mind believes.

Yeah, cause the UN always deals with people who ignore it, right, sort of like in Iraq right? Ha!

So basically it's bad when the US ignores the UN but it's ok when smaller, muslim countries do it?

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by c312

Yeah, cause the UN always deals with people who ignore it, right, sort of like in Iraq right? Ha!

So basically it's bad when the US ignores the UN but it's ok when smaller, muslim countries do it?

sleeping: get it through your skull that while Iran has ignored the UN to resume nuclear research/power (which they should have the right todo) the US ignored the UN to invade a country based on a lie, so which one is the worse, the latter. sleeping:

And you can never say what might of happened in Iraq if the UN had its ways, but dear mr bush got too impatient for his oil and the capitalist machine wanted profits so highho off to Iraq they went.

[Nyck]

Originally Posted by elstatec

stfu you have no proof of this, and like many other countries Iran has a right to go after energy that doesnt involve fossil fuels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran

Electricity:

* production: 129 TWh (2002)
* consumption: 119.9 TWh (2002)

Iran's population size increased dramatically during the latter half of the 20th century to reach 70 million in 2006, although in recent years Iran appears to have taken control of its high population growth rate and many studies show that Iran's population growth rate will continue to decline

So there population is actually declining, not increasing and there are several different alternatives to nuclear energy. Go check out Hydro, or solar, lets not kid around why they are so adamant about Nuclear. enough that they would totally ignore the UN to persue it.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by elstatec

whatever happened to all the Insurgents from Syria, that a case for a whole invasion right there! Heck they might even have WMDs

fuck Syria. All of my family is over here safe and sound the_finger:

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by Nyck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran

Electricity:

* production: 129 TWh (2002)
* consumption: 119.9 TWh (2002)

Iran's population size increased dramatically during the latter half of the 20th century to reach 70 million in 2006, although in recent years Iran appears to have taken control of its high population growth rate and many studies show that Iran's population growth rate will continue to decline

So there population is actually declining, not increasing and there are several different alternatives to nuclear energy. Go check out Hydro, or solar, lets not kid around why they are so adamant about Nuclear. enough that they would totally ignore the UN to persue it.

Countries grow, there need for power grows and the persuit of a steady modern power source which doesnt use fossil fuels grows, there is never enough energy. Hydro and solar energy cannot make anywhere near the same energy as a nuclear power station. If other countries in the world can freely use nuclear energy, Iran shouldnt be halted in doing so. Try again.

[Nyck]

ya know what..nevermind let them have their nuke technology, design the bomb and when you're out prancing around in the flower field fields with the unicorns and rainbows in your "World" don't come crying to us when the shit hits the fan

I am AMAZED that some one from a western superpower believes that fucking Iran wants nuclear technology for "energy purposes"

[Nyck]

Originally Posted by Machette

Iran bans CNN, I love it. happy:

for a mistake made by an interpreter from an independant company that works for SEVERAL news agencies and has no affiliation with cnn.

[Sgt>Stackem]

an unstable country does NOT need nuclear weapons, if they want one Id be happy to "give" them one

[elstatec]

thats a bit ignorant to say nyck, i dont see any proof at all that they are aiming for nuclear weapons and this is the same ignorance that will probaly lead to a similar incident as Iraq had, and even if they did eventually want Nuclear Weapons then they would have as equal right to have them as Israel, US, UK and Russia.


and i love how you say
'I am AMAZED that some one from a western superpower believes that fucking Iran wants nuclear technology for "energy purposes'
you sound so so soo idiotic and well just makes me love to keep arguing because its just hilarious how dumb you sound.