I personally don't have problems with 'zookas or snipers, or shotguns. I can't talk that much simply because I can only play at school because I have a measly 56K. We usually have around 14 people playing, and if I must say, these people suck the balls of a mountain yeti. Most everyone goes with the sniper rifle and the bazooka, and quite frankly they have no sense. I'll run around with a Machine - Gun, or SubMachine - Gun, and you'll be running and they'll fire a rocket...directly at you, I guess they forget about the whole..."it takes a second or more for the rocket to hit you" thing...and I mean SHIT, I don't understand how people can suck so bad at a game. We'll play for around 1 hr. 30 min...and I'll end up with about 220 kills...and the next person will have like 100. It's pathetic. And the people with the sniper rifles...it's horrible...they run around with it...they don't think of pulling out their pistol and such...you'll shoot them with a machine gun at point blank and such...and they will zoom in on you and try to snipe...it's pathetic. The shotgun isn't a popular weapon...Me and another guy use it everyonce in a while.
Well that was my 2 cents telling about my shit filled life...I'm going to go and eat a Apple...

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Ha! Webster's blown his cerebral cortex.

[Webb]

Just play the bleeding game.

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[Mope]

ohama should only be allowed rifle and smg's

[Langemarck]

Why don't we all pick a bow and sword?

[Balr14]

Most of the complaints I've read seem to have common causes... to many people in the game or playing on closed levels. Try playing on the more open levels with 4 - 8 players. Shotgun and bazooka kills take real skill under those circumstances. If everyone ran around with nothing but machine guns the game would get boring pretty fast.

Well, rocketlaunchers and shotguns are indeed for people with no skillz. I tried them both and i killed everybody i ran into...altho i cant do the same with a mg or smg by far. Bitching about snipers is lame. A sniperrifle is a dificult weapon to play with, whenever you need to change possition (after each shot or after being spotted) you are extremely vulnerable to people with mg, smg, or whatever. Sniping is a completely diferent gameplay then for example the mg. It secuires skillz, and so does the mg. All the time i see people running into an open field with guns blazing. This is as it is in real life the quickest way to your grave...ther might be snipers, there might be more nme's than you though. Play with tact and be carefull and observant and you will be protected from snipers. Dont run into open fields with you mg, thats just plain stupid. However fact remains that shotguns and bazookas bring the game out of balance and especially when there are to many of them. Shotgun and bazooka are, you miss them but still you hit them. This is not right and should be changed. If in real life you fire a bazooka while being in the same room as the target, you are dead as hell. Tis should be the case in the game. Same story for the shotgun. There is no way you can hit someone with a shotgun standing at the other side of the map, this should be the case in the game asswel. Leathal at close range but useless at distance.

[dEtRiMeNtAl]

Ok, i just played MP for the second time today and there were quite a lot of people using rocket launchers and yes i admit it was quite crappy.
I tried the launcher for 3 rounds and did kill quite a few more people from long range with the blast radius, so i'd say the launcher dosen't have a decent role in MP without armoured targets.
But still i don't agree with the last post saying the shotguns too powerful at range , frankly i found it quite useless at more than say 20 yards, but up close it's very powerful.

[This message has been edited by dEtRiMeNtAl (edited February 23, 2002).]

im with Langemarck.

well panzers i cant stand on deathmatches, on obj matches theyre okay. they dont ruin it for me though.
shotguns well kinda sux in some maps.

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Hey folks. I just registered and this thread caught my attention. It seems to be a rather emotional issue, and this is very clear when playing online. These disagreements regarding weapons usually end in shouting matches and namecalling, but it boils down to what you were expecting when you bought the game. There are those out there that really enjoy any kind of FPS, and there are those that really enjoy ones that make a concerted effort to envoke certain degrees of realism. I am no doubt of the second kind. And I can say I bought this game because it did appear from the demo to be striving for at least a moderate sense of "realism". Those who find themselves in the first group tend to not understand this.

This is a truly fantastic game, but those who were expecting realism do have a legitamate point, at least concerning shotguns. They were in fact used in combat during WWII, but very rarely, and even then mostly in the Pacific Islands where the brush made it very difficult to spot the enemy, and usually when one did he was very close by. So shotguns were used as they were powerful and there was much room for error.

In this game, Allied Assault, the main concern of many people is that there is an erroneous discrepancy between the power of weapons in short range. There is no question but if someone with a shotgun fires on a guy from 5 ft away then that guy is a goner. However, with respect to rifles this should also be true, and even with colt 45's (which could knock a guy over from that distance). Firing an M1 into the chest of an oncoming soldier who is only 5 or maybe 8 ft away should also result in immediate death. But because it does not (given 100 health), then you end up with the follwing scenario:

A guy with a shotgun rushes (running full speed zig zagging away) a soldier with a rifle, and even if the rifleman fires first and connects, there is no effect on the shotgunner save for the health points he loses. In close quarters, he only needs to pull the trigger once and it's over for the other guy. In other words, there is no reward for the soldier armed with a rifle who is patient, takes careful aim and fires, and so the shotgun's effectiveness is multiplied in the face of other weapons. The end result is you see a lot of people online using shotguns and rushing guys with rifles because they know they can take the hit. Now I've yet to see a mod that effectively remedies this completely. And so naturally some people are going to voice their gripe with the situation.

I don't think its all that big of a deal, but I think it is fair to say that EA was trying to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, so they included bazookas and shotguns for the Quake crowd, which is a pretty big market. Regardless, it is obvious to anyone that plays this game that they were going for more realism than some people would like to admit, and so they made some crucial compromises and that's why we have these threads. Hopefully in the future more servers will pop up so the wacky "realists" like me can get together more often.

Sorry for the length. Later.



[This message has been edited by Red 2 (edited February 24, 2002).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>A shotgun will kill you at short range.
Deal with it and play on realism mod servers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GOD!! This topic was going great until the FLAPJACK EATIN CRANBERRY decided to sully it up. Kudos. Another interesting topic down the crapper cause of a single useless post. You are a credit Sir Shock.

[Sh3ll_Sh0ck]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cerebral Assassin:
GOD!! This topic was going great until the FLAPJACK EATIN CRANBERRY decided to sully it up. Kudos. Another interesting topic down the crapper cause of a single useless post. You are a credit Sir Shock.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The same can be said when your foul smelling stentch rears it's ugly head.


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Fear is the weakness of the mind. Remember that next time you see me on the battlefield.-ShellShock

[Captain Bunny]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red 2:
These disagreements regarding weapons usually end in shouting matches and namecalling, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

judging by the last two entries...it hath begun.
(dramatic music) dum! dum! dum!



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I can't help about the shape I'm in, I can't sing I ain't pretty and my legs are thin. But don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.

[poseyj]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kakorott:
posey must just have 1/2 a brain or he is some kind of non human either way he says he cannot adapt then he has no need for living

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yet again you prove that your intellect is that of a 3rd grader.

get this through your skull:

ITS NOT ABOUT ADAPTING, I CAN ADAPT JUST FINE, IM THINKING ABOUT THE REST OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PLAY AN ACCURATE WW2 GAME, BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH BAZOOKAS AND SHOTGUNS, OR SNIPER RIFLES, ISNT REALISTIC, OR FUN.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU TEND TO FORGET ABOUT WHAT GAMES ARE ABOUT, WHICH IS HAVING A GOOD TIME.

AND, no need for living? WTF IS THAT, OH NO IM GONNA KILL MYSELF CAUSE I CAN'T ADAPT, WHAT KIND OF DRUGS ARE YOU SMOKING BUDDY, HAHA.

if this game doesn't get the gameplay balances it needs, itll die, and its on to the next game.

POSEYJ? See ya, I can tell you you wont be missed. You want realism - get this through YOUR thick ass school, this game isn't designed for the realism you want. And when wanks get on here thinking they know more than the experts on how to modify the weapons - thats when trouble rears its head, just like when SH3LIA_SHOCK offers her opinion.

Every single weapon in this game can be adapted to, every imbalanced gameplay mechanic can be worked around. You say these mods make the game more realistic - please. It makes it so that wet-behind the ears players who get sick and tired of being hit by a ZOOK dont have to whine anymore. Have you ever wondered why it is that a ZOOK used may actually have more kills than you. I daresay it's a little more than luck. And this goes for all the other FLAPJACKS you insist on defending and taking up the good cause for.

Just funny MR CAPITAL-LETTERS.

Now its shotguns, man...