[Whatada]

Originally Posted by anti

no one overdoes on lsd, they just ended up in a mental hospital. no one's brain fell apart on mush, they just ended up losing all sense of self.

again, that isn't because of the drug, it's because of the person. 8 in 10,000 users of LSD are put into a permenant psychosis. Out of nearly all of these cases, the user had a previous mental disorder. (bipolar, clinical depression, etc.), in which case it's the user's fault for not knowing what they're getting themselves into.

yeah, every drug has massive potential to fuck your life up, but not all of them will no matter what, c128391023 and snipey. it's like gun control. just because there's fucking idiots who don't care about anything at all, who go out and kill people does NOT mean that every gun purchase there ever will will end in a casualty. YES, guns are deadly, YES there are a vast majority of people who are cautious and know what they are doing who will NOT kill somebody.

honestly, it's fucking ridiculous how taboo some of you on here make certain drugs. trying E once isn't a fucking death sentence, it's experimentation.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by Coleman

dude, you don't want to start with nonsense bashing...all I'd have to say is something about your gf and it'd be over. Let's not start that.

"Proteus is a dumb loser."

Who started the nonsense?

[c312]

Whatada, you may be right about relatively few people becoming permanently psychotic, but what about all the people who die because of the trips. Like the "fliers" or the people who try to stop trains with their hand? Or the people that get killed by users because they think they are enemies? What are those numbers?

Anyway, I know that drugs aren't instant death, I am not trying to come off that way. I'm just arguing that they do have REAL dangers to them. I only started arguing this because people got on here and started saying "this drug is safe, this drug isn't, blah blah blah"

[snipeymagoo]

Tripper makes me laugh because he think's he is right about EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.

Come on buddy, accept that you're WRONG at least once in your life.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by snipeymagoo

Tripper makes me laugh because he think's he is right about EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.

Come on buddy, accept that you're WRONG at least once in your life.

First off why are you provoking somebody who you just demanded never talk to you again?

How can you define a right and wrong when it's more opinion than fact. Fact of the actual drug is there, but the opinion to actually take it strictly depends on the person. There's risks, people know the risk before taking(or they should anyways) and then they decide to take it or not. Why do you have a problem with people doing it, just because you were given the choice and decided not to?

It's such an easy thing to say, "Why the fuck would anybody want to do drugs or put a substance in your body that's not meant to be there?"

You'll never know the answer to that question unless you try the drug. Plain and simple.

Are you preaching sobriety to make somebody who has used drugs stop? Because you're not going to do anything. If you want to make people stop taking a drug, join the DEA. You're not making the slightest of a dent, matter of fact, nobody is.

/arguing on internet pic

[Whatada]

Originally Posted by c312

Whatada, you may be right about relatively few people becoming permanently psychotic, but what about all the people who die because of the trips. Like the "fliers" or the people who try to stop trains with their hand? Or the people that get killed by users because they think they are enemies? What are those numbers?

Anyway, I know that drugs aren't instant death, I am not trying to come off that way. I'm just arguing that they do have REAL dangers to them. I only started arguing this because people got on here and started saying "this drug is safe, this drug isn't, blah blah blah"

there are guidelines for every drug. anybody who's ever taken a psychadelic will tell you, "someplace familiar, with people you know and trust who will help you if you start going downhill."


you're right, they do have dangers to them, but the dangers are much less apparent to the people who have no idea what they're doing. there's drug use, and drug abuse. drug abuse is bad 100% of the time.

[Tripper]

Snipey you fathead mutherfucker, if you want me to argue back it would pay to post a fucking rebuttle you stupid bloody cuntpop....I find it amusing that you dodged that one by claiming that I wouldnt be able to understand it, lol - Why don't you try me? Im pretty sure I got what you were saying in your last post - As FUCKING STUPID as it were.

Originally Posted by c312

Whatada, you may be right about relatively few people becoming permanently psychotic, but what about all the people who die because of the trips. Like the "fliers" or the people who try to stop trains with their hand? Or the people that get killed by users because they think they are enemies? What are those numbers?

lol you clearly haven't taken any of these drugs before or even know people who have....That behaviour is soooo rare. I never felt invincible when I did shrooms or LSD. Ridiculous.

Its funny how people who have never done these drugs try and argue against them by using the same urban legends to scare the opposition into submission. I've heard those stories before. Its also funny how drugs immediately get the blame. It couldnt possibly be that these people are alread stupid could it? No. Thats unrealistic. oOo:

Alcohol makes people violent as fuck, it makes daddy beat and abuse his kids and slap around his wife.

What is worse for society? I know which one is more common.

I'm sorry but most of my friends and friends friends and their friends friends have tried these drugs at least once, and I've never actually heard of anyone I know or anyone related having bad experiences outside of a bad trip. (Which ends when the effects wear off.)

I think the drug / gun comparison is pretty valid and makes a good point here.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by snipeymagoo

Tripper makes me laugh because he think's he is right about EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.

Come on buddy, accept that you're WRONG at least once in your life.

I accept that Im wrong quite alot - This is not one of those times.

Did you even read my reply? If you did you should be embarrased about the above post I have quoted, because I pretty much slammed every point you made with superior counter-points leaving your argument totally VOID. Give up.

[CoMaToSe]

Trippar, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by c312

Anyway, I know that drugs aren't instant death, I am not trying to come off that way. I'm just arguing that they do have REAL dangers to them. I only started arguing this because people got on here and started saying "this drug is safe, this drug isn't, blah blah blah"

Well we've all acknowledged that they do have dangers, and that your original post here was a total nit-pick, like most of your posts around here. Anyone who doesnt acknowledge some danger in ANYTHING is a complete moron.

This whole thing started when E's status as an A-Class drug was contested - So anyone saying its not dangerous is saying in COMPARISON to other A Class drugs whose danger is considerably worse. You're arguing a moot point. Im sure I made this clear earlier on in the thread.

[Pyro]

we still here defending E?

so what if you do it...thats your choice...but don't go saying the shit isn't bad...who gives a shit if it's not as bad as heroin or coke...it is STILL a hardcore drug...but if you only did it once or twice like...who cares in a sense...but if you're an E-tard...better off just killing yourself.

God you should see the spines of these two guys I know...shit is pretty much in the shape of an S

But then if you're ok with someone doing E a couple times...you can't really say anything about the other drugs...if you don't get addicted that is...

I am almost hopoing one of my aquitances who do E die of it to rpove to the othe rE-tards they should quit...I know it's harsh...but harsh is the only way to get shit through to people...

for illegal drugs id only do pot or shrooms (which i only did once and probably will try again sometime but never more than once a year)

I say stick to alcohal and/or weed...it's enough if you need more...your life sucks.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Pyro

we still here defending E?

so what if you do it...thats your choice...but don't go saying the shit isn't bad...who gives a shit if it's not as bad as heroin or coke...it is STILL a hardcore drug...but if you only did it once or twice like...who cares in a sense...but if you're an E-tard...better off just killing yourself.

God you should see the spines of these two guys I know...shit is pretty much in the shape of an S

But then if you're ok with someone doing E a couple times...you can't really say anything about the other drugs...if you don't get addicted that is...

I am almost hopoing one of my aquitances who do E die of it to rpove to the othe rE-tards they should quit...I know it's harsh...but harsh is the only way to get shit through to people...

for illegal drugs id only do pot or shrooms (which i only did once and probably will try again sometime but never more than once a year)

I say stick to alcohal and/or weed...it's enough if you need more...your life sucks.

HI SHAWN ITS YOUR FRIEND TRIPPER DO YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE SENSE AND NOT CONTRADICT YOURSELF SEVERAL TIMES IN ONE POST? NO? OKAY THEN I'LL JUST PRETEND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IM ABOUT TO SAY:

This is an actual debate about these drugs, not about how cool they are. Nice one one the whole shrooms are okay but E is god awful thing, yeah, you REALLY know your topic of argument here, dont you? oOo:

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Tripper

HI SHAWN ITS YOUR FRIEND TRIPPER DO YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE SENSE AND NOT CONTRADICT YOURSELF SEVERAL TIMES IN ONE POST? NO? OKAY THEN I'LL JUST PRETEND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IM ABOUT TO SAY:

This is an actual debate about these drugs, not about how cool they are. Nice one one the whole shrooms are okay but E is god awful thing, yeah, you REALLY know your topic of argument here, dont you? oOo:

The difference is...

...God put shrooms on this earth

...we created Extacy.

The debate should end with everyone agreeing that E sucks.

[strvs]

MDMA (what ecstasy is SUPPOSED to be) is basically harmless when used responsibly and in moderation. the problem with "E" is that 90% of it is just a mish mash or random shit to get you high... ecstasy is a filthy, dangerous drug in that aspect. combine that with little self control, addictive personalities and you're in trouble.. and i've seen E totally fuck over some good friends. but that was over a long period of heavy use, the whole "one hit will kill you" arguement is completely fucking retarded.

theres a whole fuckload of ignorance in this thread.. frankly trippers the only one who really knows what hes talking about

do some research

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by strvs

MDMA (what ecstasy is SUPPOSED to be) is basically harmless when used responsibly and in moderation. the problem with "E" is that 90% of it is just a mish mash or random shit to get you high... ecstasy is a filthy, dangerous drug in that aspect. combine that with little self control, addictive personalities and you're in trouble.. and i've seen E totally fuck over some good friends. but that was over a long period of heavy use, the whole "one hit will kill you" arguement is completely fucking retarded.

theres a whole fuckload of ignorance in this thread.. frankly trippers the only one who really knows what hes talking about

do some research

though isn't it possible that you could die from one pill...even if it is your first one ever?

but if you're stupid to get certain drugs off untrusted people...well...you deserve to die.