[ED!]

[quote="Captain Noctis Aeternus":2594e]ED, that rebuttal was the most mature I think I've ever seen from you. Didn't even mock anyone ed:[/quote:2594e]

This thread has pissed me off to the point of seriousness. And did u totally skip my response to SNIPEY "KKK" MAGOO?

[quote:2594e]But, in your statement regarding the under-representation, you completely neglected to address the reason it is so, they are a MINORITY.[/quote:2594e]

And because we are a minority, it is very easy for the concerns of the smaller group to be pushed aside. It's easy to do and has been done for many years. It isnt so hard to believe. Tell me how hard it would be to have a proportianate amount of minorities representing minority interests and needs in government. Just because we are a minoritt does NOT mean that has to be reflected in positions of power. It is because we are a minority, that many people are screaming for representation.

[quote:2594e] I just fail to see why people should be obligated to oblige to a certain group just because of the color of their skin. That, in and of itself, is racist. That's like saying that all black, hispanic, and asian peoples are better than white people, because they deserve to have equal say in everything, even though they don't represent an equal number of people.[/quote:2594e]

Man, people are ALL equal. But how can that be when all you see is white government, representing white interests? Who do you thi nk they are looking out for - honestly. Are you saying that because minorities dont make up the dominant race in this country, that THEIR needs come last. That reasoning in and of itself is one of th emain reasons we have the climate of racial unrest we have right now in this damn country.

[quote:2594e]You want true equality? Then don't be hypocritical about it.[/quote:2594e]

The problem is you take equality as some literal physical number, when its an idea - not a tangile. Equality simple means sameness of treatment, and right to live. One black or one million, we should have the same rights as the majority; the same priviliges.

[Miscguy]

[quote:c882f]One black or one million, we should have the same rights as the majority; the same priviliges.[/quote:c882f]

Dont you think affirmative action laws get in the way of this? I mean giving favor to the minority simply because that person is a "minority" dosnt come off as an equal chance.






Just as a side note. White people are now a minority in CA at 49% of state population.

[Drew]

Like I said. True equality would mean we wouldn't have to worry about the racial make up of the government, or television. Because all peoples would be viewed equally. But groups like the NAACP are too busy screaming about how there should be just as many blacks as whites in these positions. I'm sorry, but democracy is based on the rule of the majority, and I just don't see how it isn't racism to assume that blacks should have more say than they constitute, just because they are black.

Yes, their ancestors suffered through slavery for 150 years, and I am sorry that happened. They like to forget that MY ancestors were enslaved by THEIR ancestors for much longer than that in Egypt.

All I am saying is, democracy is based on percentages, that's a fact of life. Now if blacks constitute (I can't remember the %, 12 maybe?) of the population, then 12% of the government should be made up of African-Americans. But no more, and no less.

That's just my opinion. And that is applicable to any color of skin, including white.

[pest]

[quote="ED!":cebb5]
This thread has pissed me off to the point of seriousness.[/quote:cebb5]

Heh, wouldnt it be funny and maybe a bit ironic, if people were just saying things to get you riled up.

My one and only post in this thread is to say that nothing good can come from a thread with a title like this. I havent read any farther than the first coulpe of posts and dont really intend to read any more. If GA wants a vote, then the NAACP has no right to try and stop it. But they do have the right to boycot whatever they want to. I do find the blanket, unsubstantiated, prejudial remark about the majority of GA wanting to bring back slavery a bit insulting, but remarks like that highlight the true nature of groups like the NAACP, so they mostly amuse me.

[ED!]

Affirmative action unfortunately is a neccesity in this great country of ours. Yes it would be nice if every did treat everyone else equally, but gosh gee willikers - we dont. And thus laws ENFORCING equality come into play. Alot of you seem to be operating under the belief that AA is the cause of anger from whites to minorities. Hardly. Take away AA, and then see the equality levels drop.

As far as CA being 49% white, where the hell do you think we are located? And whites are STILL the majority race here.

[Old Reliable]

affirmative action is racist too, fuck that equality shit, lets put minorities first! hake:

[negative]

many minorities are not direct decendents of slaves-and there have been many NORTHERN generals owning slaves. lincoln didnt free slaves, only slaves in the south (not the border states)


i dont think the naacp speeks for all minorites

[[LoNe R@nGeR]]

[quote="ED!":35f80]Affirmative action unfortunately is a neccesity in this great country of ours. Yes it would be nice if every did treat everyone else equally, but gosh gee willikers - we dont. And thus laws ENFORCING equality come into play. Alot of you seem to be operating under the belief that AA is the cause of anger from whites to minorities. Hardly. Take away AA, and then see the equality levels drop.

As far as CA being 49% white, where the hell do you think we are located? And whites are STILL the majority race here.[/quote:35f80]

Sadly, affirmative action actually ENFORCES inequality.

Michigan State University give black people 20 points towards their admission, just because they are black. If a black person gets lower scores on SAT's and has taken easier classes at an easier High school then a white student, Michigan State still often times chooses the Black student.

How does this seem like equality? You would have to be stupid and blindly liberal to think that affirmative action was equality.

Affirmitave action does not ENFORCE anything but more racism, but this time, against white people.

Also, if a black person gets affirmative action to get into college, then also receives it to get a job, then that black person has acheived everything he has done not because of himself, or anything that he had done, but instead because of his skin color. This IS NOT equality. Instead of making color an obselete factor, it actually makes it the most important factor.

All you really have to do is think about it.

[/b]

[ED!]

[quote="[LoNe R@nGeR]":958de][quote="ED!":958de]Affirmative action unfortunately is a neccesity in this great country of ours. Yes it would be nice if every did treat everyone else equally, but gosh gee willikers - we dont. And thus laws ENFORCING equality come into play. Alot of you seem to be operating under the belief that AA is the cause of anger from whites to minorities. Hardly. Take away AA, and then see the equality levels drop.

As far as CA being 49% white, where the hell do you think we are located? And whites are STILL the majority race here.[/quote:958de]

Sadly, affirmative action actually ENFORCES inequality.

Michigan State University give black people 20 points towards their admission, just because they are black. If a black person gets lower scores on SAT's and has taken easier classes at an easier High school then a white student, Michigan State still often times chooses the Black student.

How does this seem like equality? You would have to be stupid and blindly liberal to think that affirmative action was equality.

Affirmitave action does not ENFORCE anything but more racism, but this time, against white people.

Also, if a black person gets affirmative action to get into college, then also receives it to get a job, then that black person has acheived everything he has done not because of himself, or anything that he had done, but instead because of his skin color. This IS NOT equality. Instead of making color an obselete factor, it actually makes it the most important factor.

All you really have to do is think about it.

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Never said Affirmative Action was the equivalant to racial equality. However, without it rampant unequality would be more prevalant than it is now. Do you mean to say that white americans - ALL WHITE AMERICANS - on their own can be responsible enough to not allow their own prejudices get in the way of what is right?

That is a huge amount of confidence and faith you have in the American populace.

[MrLevinstein]

[quote="ED!":4af9f]

Never said Affirmative Action was the equivalant to racial equality. However, without it rampant unequality would be more prevalant than it is now. Do you mean to say that white americans - ALL WHITE AMERICANS - on their own can be responsible enough to not allow their own prejudices get in the way of what is right?

That is a huge amount of confidence and faith you have in the American populace.[/quote:4af9f]

Ed, you once again cut through all the bullshit and get to the point.

[Vance]

I agree with Noticus.

[Old Reliable]

by the way boner its MICHIGAN not MICHIGAN STATE, because of affirmative action I didnt get into Michigan

[Pfc.Green]

[quote="ED!":d5748] Do you mean to say that white americans - ALL WHITE AMERICANS - on their own can be responsible enough to not allow their own prejudices get in the way of what is right?[/quote:d5748]

All this gets is a... hake: .

[[LoNe R@nGeR]]

[quote="ED!":37ec0]
Never said Affirmative Action was the equivalant to racial equality. However, without it rampant unequality would be more prevalant than it is now. Do you mean to say that white americans - ALL WHITE AMERICANS - on their own can be responsible enough to not allow their own prejudices get in the way of what is right?

That is a huge amount of confidence and faith you have in the American populace.[/quote:37ec0]

You said that affirmative action enforces equality, therefore suggesting that it makes people equal. BUT it does make inequality more prevalent, just not in an obvious way. It may seem to make minorities more equal, but in turn makes whites less equal. This IS making inequality more prevalant, just in a different manner. And all americans are not racists, vast majorities are not. Hardly any white people are seriously rascist anymore, or at least do not act on it. Also, most of these racist people do not work in places like admissions offices at universities or in large companies, and thus racism does not really affect these processes. Also, black people are racist also. You hear "cracker" as much as "nigger" these days. Just as many minorities are rascists as majorities.

You just do not give ENOUGH confidence in the American populace

[[LoNe R@nGeR]]

[quote="Old Reliable":a4bb0]by the way boner its MICHIGAN not MICHIGAN STATE, because of affirmative action I didnt get into Michigan[/quote:a4bb0]

sorry, i stand corrected, but still my point is the same.

sorry about you're situation also. that would suck ass