Shootout - Page 6

Proteus · 09-21-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyro

Why the fuck do veterans think they're above the law? I know you served your country (this guy in a meaningless war though)...but fuck it doesn't allow you to be a total dick to everyone.

This guy was obviously insane from the war and was also very drunk. Turning up your volume it really fucking gets to you. You can hear his last breath.

Arkan · 09-21-2005, 07:55 PM

It's a shame his mistakes cost him his life. Perhaps others can benefit from it.

Zap. USMC · 09-21-2005, 10:52 PM

Ok, I'm confused... did that cop just stay in his seat and not fuckin move or what? That guy just moved around and put like 8 rounds into the windshield and then it looks like he killed him when the cop finally got out of his drivers side seat.

What really bothered me was when the cop started to scream the first time and it sounded like he just stayed there in the front seat while the guy just ran to him and capped him a few more times and then he screamed again when he was getting continued to get shot and died. I just think the cop panicked... could of handled it allot better as most of you guys are mentioned. Man, that screaming was horrible to listen to.

Tripper · 09-21-2005, 11:00 PM

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No, I won't dispose of my car, I use it to get to get places.

My television entertains me, as does my Computer.

A gun......What does a gun do for me (other than give me a weapon to potentially kill people without thinking twice), that a baseball bat/Golf club/Shovel can't do?

I like how you conveniently avoid mentioning their legal properties to favor your idiotic stance on gun control. Well done, but it doesn't work on people with an ounce of intelligence.

I actually don't understand what you mean by legal properties. The above point I made is totally relevant as far as I'm concerned, and all I see is you conveniently avoiding any kind of rebuttle towards that point.

If I do want a gun, I'll go get a license - Just like If I want to drive my car, I'll go ge a license to do so. The license process (In both cases) is intended to weed out those that pose a risk to the lives of others. What the fuck is wrong with that? I don't get why you continue to criticise two countries whose gun laws enable the people to own a gun if they actually need one.

I also don't get why you critique the police training process....It shouldn't take them more than 14 hours to teach how to operate a gun. If you're trying to say that 14 hour training period is the only thing that police have to get through to be able to use a gun, then you're wrong. The fact that they're already in the police is reason enough to trust them more with weapons, because just like gun licenseing, to get in the police there is that same process to weed out undesireables. So once they reach the gun training period with their recruits they have already eliminated those that would be unsafe or untrustworthy with a gun.

Nice fallacious argument: because they are police we should trust them. Well played: if you actually knew how easy it was to pass those qualifications, you would worry.

Okay, firstly - You generalise all police force recruit processes under one blanket and then just offer a hokey, half-assed claim. Is that all you have got as a rebuttle? Do you yourself know how easy it is to pass the NEW ZEALAND police qualifications? I doubt it. Very weak attempt.

....I never said simply because they're police we should trust them, I do however have some faith in the process of police recruitment, the same amount of faith I have in gun laws. I don't want someone with a criminal record of violent crimes policing me, just like I don't want them to have access to guns. The current police process of recruitment AND the process of gaining a gun license deny this......of course SOME bad apples will get through, but that's no reason to get rid of licensecing all together, ALOT of criminals or potential criminals would go and buy a gun if they could just go to the store and pick one up, without needing any licenses.

....and for the record, I only pipe up on this issue when you or others like you critique other countries gun laws, which is uneeded seeing as you don't live in those countries, so it shouldn't effect you... and seeing as how this issue is most certainly NOT black and white, I have just as much right as you or anyone else to rant my "feel-good bullshit."

The reason it DOES affect all of us is because other countries tend to imitate what they see as furthering their preferences. In this case, it's really easy to understand how one country's stance can affect the others.

No shit. Why do you think that is? Do you think it's just a trend of bad luck that all these countries are adopting similar restrictions? Or is it some conspiracy to thwart the people from owning guns so that the government can exercise oppression?

Sheeple? Kindly go fuck yourself you french faggot.

Yes. Sheeple. You're moved by "authorities" and do little more than grunt as you comply: in a perverted way, you deserve the ills that are befalling you.

What "ills" that are "befalling" me? This country has had gun restrictions for years....Tell me, tell me all about these "ills," I've been waiting for something bad to happen as a result of my countries gun control - Lemme check out my window and see if there is a reason for owning a gun coming down my street....... Nope. Nothing. In my entire lifetime, I've never needed a gun. I've never heard a story about someone I know and thought, "damn, you would have been better off if we didn't have these silly gun laws." ]

BTW - Go ahead and post those stats. I'm sure there probably is another reason for the rise in violent crime after the beefing up of gun laws...

That argument has been tried time and time again: I will start you off with the following study, and when you're done, let me know so I can give you more material.

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/boo ... riment.pdf

I find it regrettable that you are so easily manipulated into believing the lies and propaganda fed to you, however I am not surprised. It takes guts and a critical mind to analyze the issue and accept the facts, which are decidedly not in favor of gun control.

What lies and propaganda? There is noone in my country bothering to dispiute or contest these laws because they have no reason too. There is also no member of parliament or government agency laying down gun control propaganda on me at all - They have no reason to. People are happy the way things are. You sound like a fucking paranoid schizo. I'm beginning to think you are.

Violent crime in New Zealand is at it's lowest in 20 years. That about sums it up. In relation to other countries you're probably right....but it still doesn't mean gun control is a flat out bad thing. It's worked out fine for my country....and I disagree with people who bash it just because it doesn't work in certain countries. That's what I meant by it no tbeing black and white, I guess now I see that it depends on the individual country in which it is in action.

I know for a fact that It works fine down here and that's why I pop in every time I see someone criticising gun control.

Milla · 09-21-2005, 11:39 PM

[quote="Zap. USMC":ae359]Ok, I'm confused... did that cop just stay in his seat and not fuckin move or what? That guy just moved around and put like 8 rounds into the windshield and then it looks like he killed him when the cop finally got out of his drivers side seat.

What really bothered me was when the cop started to scream the first time and it sounded like he just stayed there in the front seat while the guy just ran to him and capped him a few more times and then he screamed again when he was getting continued to get shot and died. I just think the cop panicked... could of handled it allot better as most of you guys are mentioned. Man, that screaming was horrible to listen to.[/quote:ae359]

I cant see the video...i cant ever see videos from that site. I just see the shitty Windows Media Player picture

SoLiDUS · 09-21-2005, 11:48 PM

The reason I'm so angry is simple: the right to bear arms is a RIGHT, not a fucking privilege. You have to understand that it is there for a reason: a disarmed populace is a helpless one. When totalitarianism becomes a reality, good luck taking back control when you have no means to do so. I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they aren't planning to take over our lives: in fact, if you look closely, they are already doing so in limited fashions. Slowly but surely, all aspects of your life will be regulated and some day, it will be too late for you to speak up against the ills befalling you.

[quote="Martin Niemoller":0624c]
"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."
[/quote:0624c]

All rights discussion aside, I enjoy plinking and the precision it requires: you may not derive any satisfaction from it, but this is your preference and I have no intention of converting you. All I ask it that you inform yourself by reading the studies and statistics before immediately assuming gun control is the solution to the problems 0.00001% of firearm owners create, causing the remainder to lose their right (and trust me, it's only a matter of time before the others are attacked, just watch). You may also be interested to know that almost all firearm owners are more responsible and law-abiding than the average citizen, and that most gun-related problems are caused by criminals who were never following the rules in the first place.

Milla · 09-21-2005, 11:50 PM

[quote=SoLiDUS]The reason I'm so angry is simple: the right to bear arms is a RIGHT, not a fucking privilege. You have to understand that it is there for a reason: a disarmed populace is a helpless one. When totalitarianism becomes a reality, good luck taking back control when you have no means to do so. I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they aren't planning to take over our lives: in fact, if you look closely, they are already doing so in limited fashions. Slowly but surely, all aspects of your life will be regulated and some day, it will be too late for you to speak up against the ills befalling you.

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Originally Posted by "Martin Niemoller":1add1

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

All rights discussion aside, I enjoy plinking and the precision it requires: you may not derive any satisfaction from it, but this is your preference and I have no intention of converting you. All I ask it that you inform yourself by reading the studies and statistics before immediately assuming gun control is the solution to the problems 0.00001% of firearm owners create, causing the remainder to lose their right (and trust me, it's only a matter of time before the others are attacked, just watch). You may also be interested to know that almost all firearm owners are more responsible and law-abiding than the average citizen, and that most gun-related problems are caused by criminals who were never following the rules in the first place.[/quote:1add1]

This sounds a bit far fetched sloi....

But in any degree you and i will be dead and long gone before the populace is totally taken over.

SoLiDUS · 09-22-2005, 12:00 AM

It's not far-fetched.

You're already giving up your liberties in the name of "security" against "terrorists", which, it happens, can be re-defined at every corner to fit the agenda of those currently in power. I'm not saying they're ubermensch with a perfect plan for world domination, but the end result will most likely be the same: you will live under the strict ruling of one governing body overseeing every aspect of your life.

I agree, this will probably not occur in our lifetime. In any case, this is making me sound like a paranoid nut when the reality is that I am only concerned with ensuring our continued freedom to enjoy our lives to the fullest, unimpeded by the government, which is becoming intrusive and abusive. You may not agree with me on the above, but you will most likely concur that things aren't rosy.

If I can go offtopic for a moment, the more important problem facing us right now is overpopulation: this is causing a dysgenic tendency (more on this if you want details), a tremendous loss of ressources and excessive pollution. Why is everyone having a fucking kid and contributing to the problem ? This, I would hope, is not something that requires much cogitation: in fact, it's downright obvious. How do you propose we go about making things better ? At the rate our population is increasing (and I won't even mention how useless most of us are), it won't take long until we are facing a catastrophic situation. Now, if you wish, you may call me paranoid and delusional... but I'm right and time will prove it.

armed.zip · 09-22-2005, 02:11 AM

i seen this video a while back in oqrish.com. like bullit said in a reply that it was a m1 carbine wich is right. the officer died right after his last screams with a shot in his eye. this is from ogrish

"""""Deputy Kyle Dinkheller, Laurens County, GA, was minutes from being off duty when he
encountered a speeding pickup truck going 98 mph. The deputy was an ICE (Interstate
Criminal Enforcement) officer that dealt with traffic infractions, speeding and the occasional
drug bust. This was a low risk or unknown risk stop for speeding. He radioed in the speeding infraction, made a U-turn in the median and pursued the vehicle.

The driver, Andrew Brannan, stopped his vehicle, exited and started a crazy, dancing jig in
the middle of the road while swearing at the officer and shouting ‘I’m a god-damned
Vietnam vet.” At first, he ignored Dinkheller’s commands to step towards the deputy, which always began with `Sir’.

When he finally complied, he attacked the deputy and a scuffle ensued. The deputy
implemented the use of his asp and ordered Brannan to `get back’. This procedure was
repeated, but after what appeared to be a second scuffle, the suspect returned to his vehicle and retrieved a M-I Carbine from under the seat. The first shots were fired nearly 50 seconds after Brannan returned to his vehicle despite the deputy’s commands.

Brannan ignored the repeated commands to put the gun down and Deputy Dinkheller
apparently fired the first shot. Brannan, a Vietnam veteran, advanced firing on the deputy.
Dinkheller returned fire, but succeeded only in breaking a window in the driver’s side of the
pickup and wounding Brannan in the stomach. Using `suppressive fire’, Brannan
systematically, methodically shot Dinkheller in the arms, legs, exposed areas that would not be covered had Dinkheller been wearing a bulletproof vest, slowly executing him. Reloading his weapon Brannan continued firing with the final death shot to Dinkheller’s right eye.

""""""""""""
sucks for that guy.

i still hate poilce! rock:

armed.zip · 09-22-2005, 02:27 AM

solidus i know what you mean.....but countries want more population. for many of reasons a contry would like it populated.

- money
- war dummies
- xperimental
- more population = more resistance against invasions.
- business
oh and uhmm money.

and more population means, more violence, no privacy, more security, more restrictions, and most important. It gives the goverment the power to manipulate how we live with the excuse of overpopulating.

" we are not really free "

" freedom with restrictions "

fuck the goverment! i cant even go to the river without being charged and monitored! WTF!!

CoMaToSe · 09-22-2005, 02:29 AM

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.... I live in Germany. Can I complain about their gun laws?

Why wouldn't you be able too?

Gestapo.

HELl no. People need to understand that the MEn of the gestapo are good, hardworking citizens and a necessary part of our communties.

tomxtr · 09-22-2005, 06:42 AM

[quote="armed.zip":d5b95]
sucks for that guy.

i still hate poilce! rock:[/quote:d5b95]

Very appropriate for this thread. Now, go jump off a bridge. plzdie:

Milla · 09-22-2005, 12:40 PM

How can anyone hate police? People who hate police are usually Juveniles who have been caught by cops.

CoMaToSe · 09-22-2005, 12:45 PM

I dont understand the mentality of those who hate policemen. They do a vaible service for society. As far as I can tell, the only people who hate police are the once doing stuff that they shouldnt be doing in the first place. Dumasses. annoy:

Arkan · 09-22-2005, 01:14 PM

Ok, hating a person because they're a "cop" is retarded. It's a profession, get over it. If you "hate" authority, then thats a different matter all together like a bad upbringing or something.

Question to the "cop" haters. Would you want one there to protect your wife/mother/daughter from getting ganged raped?