Two year old killed by airgun. - Page 7

Stammer · 03-09-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.

I'd like to agree with that, but thoose millions of protesters and world distain for the Iraq war didn't stop Bush.

Sgt>Stackem · 03-09-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.

I truely hope you are right but it didnt work for Germany did it?

ninty · 03-09-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.

I'd like to agree with that, but thoose millions of protesters and world distain for the Iraq war didn't stop Bush.[/quote:3bbb3]

No, it didn't. But this might be a little different. That was for another country. If this was happening in your own country, I believe even more people would come out. But still, the Bush Government is the most powerful. Even if the people revolted against the government, if they didn't have the military on their side, it would probably be a massacre even if the people had weapons.

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I truely hope you are right but it didnt work for Germany did it?[/quote:3bbb3]
But the German people supported Hitler. They wern't protesting aginst him. Hitler burnt down the Richastag and blamed it on the Communists. He gave himself power and the people rejoiced.

Colonel · 03-09-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by "$p!k3":3d843

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Originally Posted by ninty9

To pressure a government, you need the masses, not weapons.

I'd like to agree with that, but thoose millions of protesters and world distain for the Iraq war didn't stop Bush.

No, it didn't. But this might be a little different. That was for another country. If this was happening in your own country, I believe even more people would come out.[quote:3d843][/quote:3d843][/quote:3d843]

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands that opposed Saddam and ended up in mass graves.

Or to the Jews in Germany who ended up in gas chambers. BTW- Hilter disarmed the Jews (i.e. convinced them that they didn't need guns and then confiscated them) before he started rounding the people up.

Sgt>Stackem · 03-09-2005, 12:11 PM

in the begining they did support him,(Hitler) in the begining he was donig good. After he made them register thier weapons and then confescated them the people saw the true light but it was too late to do something about it. I feel sorry for the German people of today, they were put through such BS and now they are ashamed of it. I feel no ill will towards the German people just what thier (past) govt did. Im sure if the people could have stopped him they would have. That is one of the most impressive countries as far as making a change is involved. The Germany of today is a great nation but they paid dearly for it.

ninty · 03-10-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Colonel

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands that opposed Saddam and ended up in mass graves.

Or to the Jews in Germany who ended up in gas chambers. BTW- Hilter disarmed the Jews (i.e. convinced them that they didn't need guns and then confiscated them) before he started rounding the people up.

Or to the Jews in Germany who ended up in gas chambers. BTW- Hilter disarmed the Jews (i.e. convinced them that they didn't need guns and then confiscated them) before he started rounding the people up.

The example I was putting fourth does not work is every situation. However, the Iraqi people have weapons, and it didn’t help them, did it? They probably have more weapons than Americans do. Also, I’m willing to bet that most people didn’t like saddam, but I don’t think they really had a problem with him in power. Yes I’m sure the Kurds hated him and would revolt if they had the numbers, but the majority of the people just want to work and make a living for their family. Most people cannot be bothered with politics. They had known saddam their entire life. This was the way things go. They had known no other life. The masses weren’t revolting against saddam. There were no marches through the street to get rid of him.

Also, I’m not arguing that weapons should be confiscitated, all I’m saying is that there should be some responsibility by government figures in who is allowed to get firearms. I agree very much that firearms are a right, not a privlage. I hear people saying “the second amendment says I can have weapons”. I really don’t think that’s right at all.

[quote:5e7de]in the begining they did support him,(Hitler) in the begining he was donig good. After he made them register thier weapons and then confescated them the people saw the true light but it was too late to do something about it. I feel sorry for the German people of today, they were put through such BS and now they are ashamed of it. I feel no ill will towards the German people just what thier (past) govt did. Im sure if the people could have stopped him they would have. That is one of the most impressive countries as far as making a change is involved. The Germany of today is a great nation but they paid dearly for it. [/quote:5e7de]

I think during the war people began to see what their country was doing was wrong, but would they turn on their country? No, they defended it. It is their country. The jews really only make up a few million out of 50 million germans. If 30 million germans decided what their government was doing was wrong, they could have done something I believe, but they didn’t. And I don’t blame them. If I were in their position, I’d probably support the Nazi government as well. I understand what your saying, and I agree. The german people ahve paid for it.

Pyro · 03-10-2005, 05:24 PM

Keep killing each other, and may the masses piss on your graves.

Maplegyver · 03-10-2005, 06:07 PM

penis envy.

Tripper · 03-10-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyro

Why do we need a freedom to own something that only purpose is to kill?

Knives can kill, but they have other purposes, guns have none other than to kill.

I think the one thing you guys just dont get is that we , as Americans, have the right to keep and bear arms. Yes thats a RIGHT. Why do we have this right? We, as Americans, also have the right to overthrow our govt if it isnt doing as we please. I know this will NEVER happen in my lifetime but if my kids kids need to do so I want them to have the rights that I have. You cant go up against the govt with knives. This is a very important right and we need to protect it at all costs. You may say "that will never happen" I hope you are right but if it does we are ready.[/quote:58be0]

^ Product of a paranoid society. Ever since the intial red scare after the russian bolshevik revolution, the U.S has just been a mass of paranoia....It does more damage than good worrying about the wrong things.

Colonel · 03-10-2005, 10:53 PM

You're a little off on this one Tripper. Wasn't that revolution in 1917? Americans have been passionate about our Bill of Rights since 1787. We feel now, and have felt since the day it was signed, that we must be vigilant in guarding every plank in it. Any attempt to erode even an inch of the power in each Amendment must be fought with all of our abilities. Once a freedom is lost it is very difficult to get it back.

Short Hand · 03-11-2005, 12:43 AM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":57552]in the begining they did support him,(Hitler) in the begining he was donig good. After he made them register thier weapons and then confescated them the people saw the true light but it was too late to do something about it. I feel sorry for the German people of today, they were put through such BS and now they are ashamed of it. I feel no ill will towards the German people just what thier (past) govt did. Im sure if the people could have stopped him they would have. That is one of the most impressive countries as far as making a change is involved. The Germany of today is a great nation but they paid dearly for it.[/quote:57552]
Ya see.. That was good and all when The government had muskets, and you had a musket...... But now They have Hightech Helicopters, Missles, Tanks...... To much for you to fight. In any event, I don't think the average American soldier would fight his own" either the Military would arrest the president, or an internal military civil war would fight out. It is hard to explain.

guarnere · 03-11-2005, 01:28 AM

d00d AMERIAKN IDOIT! GREEN DAY HAS LYRICS THAT SPEAK TO MIE INNER MOST FEELKIGNZ!!11 I WAKL ALONE COS SUZY BROKE UP WITH ME!!! OMFG, I HATE SKOOL!

Sgt>Stackem · 03-11-2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by guarnere

d00d AMERIAKN IDOIT! GREEN DAY HAS LYRICS THAT SPEAK TO MIE INNER MOST FEELKIGNZ!!11 I WAKL ALONE COS SUZY BROKE UP WITH ME!!! OMFG, I HATE SKOOL!

this thread had a bunch of intelligent posts until this one came by

Tripper · 03-11-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Colonel

You're a little off on this one Tripper. Wasn't that revolution in 1917? Americans have been passionate about our Bill of Rights since 1787. We feel now, and have felt since the day it was signed, that we must be vigilant in guarding every plank in it. Any attempt to erode even an inch of the power in each Amendment must be fought with all of our abilities. Once a freedom is lost it is very difficult to get it back.

1787...That was when your country WAS under threat, that was valid passion for defense of those rights and ideals - It wasn't paranoia....By the dawn of the 20th century...There were no outside threats, the U.S was a world power. The communist revolution in russia instilled an unreal threat in the american psyche, since then, IMO, the U.S has been gradually drawn into a world of paranoid fear of outside influences, inducing a somewhat misguided foreign policy driven by that fear.

The war on terror is like, a nicotine patch from the lack of communismarettes. The government's addiction to fear is a sedative to keep the people in check, so paranoid that they hug big brother's leg so tight and with so much passion that they don't question his motives anymore. oOo:

...Political Poetry. From the outside looking in... nag:

Pyro · 03-11-2005, 05:41 PM

I had fun with an Airgun today though...just i just shot signs and garbage cans and shit...first time i ever used one.

It me me time to learn to aim correctly and keep my figity arm straight...first time i hit the small sign I was what i call shooting black...which is with the gun to the side.

The wind was kinda strong too...but it was enjoyable.

Just don't shoot it at kids.