[Coleman]

Originally Posted by KTOG

It still applies to your train of thought.

in my opinion, there is an extent in which we should govern with a religious influence. I'm not saying make this a theocracy or anything. For example, some people think that every Justice should be an atheist. Our country wasn't founded through atheists and that sure as hell doesn't represent our society.

Maybe what your saying doens't apply to my post, but it may apply to what some people think. Pryo might believe in that sort of thing.

[c312]

"Our constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-John Adams

just an interesting quote

[KTOG]

oOo: Morals, yes. Religion, no.

If that quote was 100% accurate then the following things would be illegal:

-Premarital sex
-Divorce
-Greed
-Big Business
-Condoms
-Free speech


Also he never says which religion, so I guess an agnostic could be included.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by KTOG

oOo: Morals, yes. Religion, no.

If that quote was 100% accurate then the following things would be illegal:

-Premarital sex
-Divorce
-Greed
-Big Business
-Condoms
-Free speech


Also he never says which religion, so I guess an agnostic could be included.

....and there it is.

[Coleman]

i really don't want to make our system based off of religion. I'm just trying to say that religion does have an influence on our society and should be shown through some of our laws. Religion--->guides our morals to a certain extent. Making our government a theocracy is just absurd.

[ninty]

IMO religion should in no way influence or become absorbed in ANY political decision or in politics period. But you already knew that.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by ninty

IMO religion should in no way influence or become absorbed in ANY political decision or in politics period. But you already knew that.

yep, and that where I totally disagree with you. it's all good though beer:

[Stammer]

Originally Posted by Coleman

yep, and that where I totally disagree with you. it's all good though beer:

Why?

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Stammer

Why?

because that's the bottom of it. You can't really argue anything past that point. I'm not running for president or becoming a supreme justice any time soon.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Coleman

i really don't want to make our system based off of religion. I'm just trying to say that religion does have an influence on our society and should be shown through some of our laws. Religion--->guides our morals to a certain extent. Making our government a theocracy is just absurd.

same

[ninty]

Religion guides none of my morals. I don't take religion into any consideration when i'm nice to someone, or i don't shoot someone. These are my personal morals not religious.

Anyway, I don't understand how religion in govt is supposed to work in a country that is a melting pot of cultures.

Whose religion are you going buy? Christianity? Buddhism? Jewish?

You don't need religion to tell you good and bad things.

The US was built upon seperation of church and state. When you cross those, you fall into one of the categories of being a fascist state. Hitler denounced atheism and religion was a big part of his government.

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

How do you draw the line?

[Tripper]

I agree with Ninty, it's inconsiderate of people from any religion to want a government in tune with their particular religious beliefs, especially when the country in question is absolutely a melting pot of different cultures, ideals, morals and religions. Unless your country IS most definitely a CHRISTIAN country, then the christian religion, or any other religion should have no influence or bearing on government decisions that effect people of varying cultures, religions etc.

It's prejudice.

You can't please everyone, sure. ....But instead of laying down a certain suit of card, lay down a wildcard.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by ninty

Religion guides none of my morals. I don't take religion into any consideration when i'm nice to someone, or i don't shoot someone. These are my personal morals not religious.

Anyway, I don't understand how religion in govt is supposed to work in a country that is a melting pot of cultures.

Whose religion are you going buy? Christianity? Buddhism? Jewish?

You don't need religion to tell you good and bad things.

The US was built upon seperation of church and state. When you cross those, you fall into one of the categories of being a fascist state. Hitler denounced atheism and religion was a big part of his government.

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

How do you draw the line?

No where does it say anything about seperation of church and state. I believe that wording only happened in the Federalist Papers.

When I talk about religous influence, I do not mean 'having a required sunday mass to attend'. That's just dumb.

[Madmartagen]

When Bush and company talk about morality and virtue, they are talking about Christianity, plain and simple. This country is supposed to be secular, so basing your political views on what your religious morality teaches you goes against the founding principles of our nation. Even though it says 'in god we trust' on our money, it also says 'new secular order.'

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

This country is supposed to be secular, so basing your political views on what your religious morality teaches you goes against the founding principles of our nation.

huh? They came to america to practice faith. Hell, whole colonies were founded upon religion. I don't see how religion "goes against the founding principles" of our nation.