maybe theyll be on that show cybercrime on techtv

[quote="The ED! Foundation":7398c]That's probably the best bit of advice that has fallen out of your ass [i.e. your mouth] all day. Sorry - but "cybercrime division" has ALOT more things to do than go after some jerkoffs "crashing" servers with their little proggies. The hubris ALONE is staggering.[/quote:7398c]Crime is crime, Ed. It doesn't matter if you're speeding, j-walking, pissing on the sidewalk or killing someone. Each has a punishment attached to it, and there isn't an agency that won't deal with the crime. You'll find cops actually do write out tickets for j-walking still. Where? Dunno, I haven't had the need to j-walk in a long time. But the fact that I almost became a cop and actually got a lecture on that crap is all the experience I need in that department.

Fact is, what they're doing, no matter how small it seems to you - since you know it all - their job is still to prosecute a crime. What they're doing is denying people the right to what they've paid for - this *is* in fact a crime. The fact that you don't understand that just goes to further prove that you know everything, Ed.

And the other fact that you keep bringing up that this is about a game is even more proof of your ever increasing greater knowledge over the rest of us. If this was just about a game, then maybe we wouldn't be wasting so much time on this. But this has long past the point of just being about a game when the fact that actual money was in a sense being stolen from these little punks by crashing servers (again, a denial of a service that was already paid). If it were merely a matter of losing games because they were cheating left and right, that would be an entirely different story altogether. But money's being lost and services are being stripped away from customers.

My particular reference to WW2 characters had actually no specific reference to this game. Just so happened that two of the worst leaders in history were in power during that period of time. I brought reference to them as I would imagine their sense of humor probably ranks right up there with yours. "Let's see how many people we can hurt, piss off, or utterly embarass today - it'll be so funny seeing that misery being passed along." Perhaps it'll help you better understand this unfathomably low-on-intellect reference better if I picked someone else out of history that might find your humor as good. Hmmmm, let's see. The pharoas who thought all Jews should be slaves and build their egotisical monuments? Or perhaps some of the romans who cast slaves into pits to battle with tigers? And then there was the Huns and Ghengis Khan... I think all of these guys would have your sense of humor, but what would I know? You're the smart one.

damn good points Boo. hopefully Ed can now realize how idiotic he is acting.

I sincerely doubt it, Powell. His purpose in life is to piss people off. As meaningless as it may seem, he does have his place somewhere in the food chain. It's rather unfortunate that someone with a far greater intellect than ourselves has to use it in such a way that would best be compared to the virus I'm trying to hard to rid myself of. Like I said, somewhere on the food chain.

Ed is quite free with his anti AAN comments yet played on the server last night...

makes you go "Hmmm".

Federal Crime is defined as: - any crime that takes place over a large area, affects a large area or group of people, or is described in another law as said crime.

Any old lawbook you pick up that deals with crimes will also explain : - any crime which is passed in certain jurisdiction of any law enforcement division MUST be investigated to the point of charges pressed by said division or by those affected by the crime.

The fbi mandate reads: - any federal crime that may affect more than one local law enforcement division's jurisdiction will also be considered entered into this burea's jurisdiction.

I've taken a few criminal law and criminal justice classes over the my years in college. These are from a few of the books I needed for those classes and are taught as part of degree attainment programs for those majors.

just thought I'd pass this info along...maybe it'll quell some doubts.

[quote:c3230]Ed is quite free with his anti AAN comments yet played on the server last night...[/quote:c3230]

IT is a good server.

What makes me go Hmmmm is why someone as bad as you (not PFC Green bad but worse), still plays this game.

And yes, I'm SOOOOOO very sure that millions of Jews, Germans, and Russians were killed because HITLER and STALIN got a - "kick" out of it. I suppose the US government gets a kick out of killing Panamians, Iranians, Iraqis, etc. simply cause it just makes them laugh out loud. Good point.

And while all of you dance around in a circle defining "crime" and jurisdiction and what constititutes federal cyber-terrorism; an FBI agent is looking at this thread and your petition and laughing. I have NEVER said what they are doing isn't illegal.

These mysterious "supporters" in the group ICE's friend works for just dont, and WONT give a shit. Stop to think about that, and accept that ladies and gentleman. This has ZERO to do about whether a crime has been committed or not, and everything to do with whether or not someone in a position of power will even bother.

Perhaps you can all get over yourselves enough to realise that and do the one thing that should have been done ages ago in regards to Team GOD...







Ignore them.

As it stands - this thread no doubt has them rolling in the aisles.

O no not the colition to save Ed thing again.

Ed, you must have lost your mind. Why would the FBI not even care about DoS Attacks? If it is a crime, they will be on it.

Its not as simple as ignoring them. They dont get off on seeing your reaction as much as they get off on actually being harmful. So how bout this. You go ahead and pay for a server and give them all the IP address, and then you can go ahead and ignore them as they attack your server, steal rcon, then crash it. Then come back here and tell us to just "ignore it". Later punk.

i would have thought they would love a little crime like this to go after boost teh arrest records and detection rate makes them look good and increases the budget for the bigger stuff.

i know thats how most of the funnig for uk government bodies work.

[quote="The ED! Foundation":6a278]IT is a good server.[/quote:6a278]While I appreciate that comment, you obviously miss the point of why IT is a good server. But that's neither here nor there, and this topic's already passed the point of no return.

[quote:6a278]What makes me go Hmmmm is why someone as bad as you (not PFC Green bad but worse), still plays this game.[/quote:6a278]And YOU can be the judge? hmmmm

[quote:6a278]And yes, I'm SOOOOOO very sure that millions of Jews, Germans, and Russians were killed because HITLER and STALIN got a - "kick" out of it. I suppose the US government gets a kick out of killing Panamians, Iranians, Iraqis, etc. simply cause it just makes them laugh out loud. Good point.[/quote:6a278]Another point lost on your genious. Hitler considered Jews as though they weren't really human, but less than. Stalin was just plain crazy IMO. Whereas blaming the US for deaths overseas is on another level entirely. We're talking genecide vs. politics/war. You can hardly say that the US has even come close to that level of brutality at any point of it's history. And in any case, I wasn't referring to their brutality, but more accurately their personalities. I wholeheartedly believe it takes one seriously ignorant SOB to act in that manner and call it humor - or for the good of the people. Apples and oranges, maybe, but still in the same ballpark as far as I'm concerned.

[quote:6a278]And while all of you dance around in a circle defining "crime" and jurisdiction and what constititutes federal cyber-terrorism; an FBI agent is looking at this thread and your petition and laughing. I have NEVER said what they are doing isn't illegal.

These mysterious "supporters" in the group ICE's friend works for just dont, and WONT give a shit. Stop to think about that, and accept that ladies and gentleman. This has ZERO to do about whether a crime has been committed or not, and everything to do with whether or not someone in a position of power will even bother.[/quote:6a278]While I wouldn't necessarily call myself a patriot and believe myself to be as cynical as John Lennon in terms of the US government, I wouldn't presume to say that the FBI's going to ignore a crime. In all honesty, even if the FBI were to ignore such a crime, it would be a huge mistake on anyone's part to assume that the FBI would ignore what you're doing when you're commiting said crime. I would rather refrain from going that route then finding myself holding my ankles while Bubba inspects my backside. Yet all along you can tell us because you know for a fact? Hmmmmm... I guess your intellect has no bounderies, Ed.

[quote:6a278]Perhaps you can all get over yourselves enough to realise that and do the one thing that should have been done ages ago in regards to Team GOD...

Ignore them.

As it stands - this thread no doubt has them rolling in the aisles.[/quote:6a278]I'm quite sure you're right. But I have no doubt that only ignorance could sheild you from the fact that you can't get away with doing whatever you want regardless of who you're effecting forever. If you overstep your bounds and hinder someone else's rights within the letter of the law, eventually you're going to have to pay a price. I only appaud Noctis for his initiative to make a federal complaint about these ignorant punks. And if you think that I'm wrong about this whole thing, regardless of what country they're in, think about that kid from Malaysia who was arrested for the Red Alert virus. Damn thing spread across the world in 3 or 4 days and they had him in jail (even if it was in another country, it was still jail) within 2 weeks if I remember correctly. Was just a joke to him, but I doubt he's laughing now.

nerds

Great input.



oOo: ++

Insults aside (which seem to be the last line of defense for folks with no point to make), I applaud the level of optimism here. It's refreshing to see that the level of cynicism and distrust in the United States government isn't at a level where when PERSONAL gain is involved, we all wont spring to quick action. Kudos.

However, you can run in circles all day long debating what is crime, and what isn't - the important fact is what will register. The FBI is no different than local cops...report that cell phone missing, or egads ed: stolen...see how fast and how many men are placed on that case. You are talking about a couple of server you THINK TeamGOD has crashed (brazen message boards boasts aside - which are hardly an admission of guilt usable), against the hundreds of deadly cases of cyber-terrorism going on right now. If anyone DOES take a look at this "case" - it'll be cursory, and I'd imagine you'd all be sitting on your thumbs for a long time.

And Powell...keep up the good work.

hake:

Thanks Ed. That means alot to me. Later. biggrin:

Oh...I'm VERY sure....make sure you keep us ALL in the know abrest of your progress...

Can take the lion out of the jungle...but cant...well you know.

Ed is the kinda person that SHOULD be draggeed down the street and shot
SHOULD be gang rapped by a bunch of escaped convicts
SHOULD fall prey to a pack of rabid gerbals
SHOULD get hit by a go-cart so that it hurts like hell but doesn't kill him
and repeat all those over and over and over and over........

Whatsamatter ed? 1st it was "noone will care or look at this from the fbi" now its "if they do only a few will look at it". whats next? "Ok, so there are 3 FBI AGENTS looking at it and investigating. they are tracking ip's and assigning them to attacks made on servers in the last few days and to posts bragging (which if tracked IS an admission of guilt, same as a letter is) about those attacks. so what"

Key word here....FBI AGENTS. Only takes 1 to gather the needed proof to prosecute. Matter of fact, MOST cases handled by the fbi are only assigned 1 or maybe 2 agents, but those get solved don't they? but I guess thats different huh, Because you know everything and can see the future. So why not just shut the FBI down if it does no damn good to anyone?

[quote="Dr. Deleto":10692]Whatsamatter ed? 1st it was "noone will care or look at this from the fbi" now its "if they do only a few will look at it". whats next? "Ok, so there are 3 FBI AGENTS looking at it and investigating. they are tracking ip's and assigning them to attacks made on servers in the last few days and to posts bragging (which if tracked IS an admission of guilt, same as a letter is) about those attacks. so what"

Key word here....FBI AGENTS. Only takes 1 to gather the needed proof to prosecute. Matter of fact, MOST cases handled by the fbi are only assigned 1 or maybe 2 agents, but those get solved don't they? but I guess thats different huh, Because you know everything and can see the future. So why not just shut the FBI down if it does no damn good to anyone?[/quote:10692]

They wont take a look at it. Deal with it. This isn't the XFILES my friend; the FBI works MUCH different than that. You wont have the skeptic working with the Dungeons and Dragon player who believes that nerds are out to take over the world.

But your insight into the structure of the FBI is intriguing and I'm certain id like to discuss this further....

Oh yea.

I read the first few posts and found it hard not to laugh. Regardless if it's illegal or not, chances are an isp will not drop someone from their services. I know of a little clan much like teamgod called myg0t. They have had nuumerous threats and post such as the one starting this topic. And they are still around. The only members of myg0t who have lost their isp are ones who were involved in much more serious online offenses then server crashing. Also make note that teamgod, myg0t and other clans of that nature are on these boards and many other boards just like this watching what people say about them and laugh. You are just giving them what they want entertainment.

I like that they laugh, though. Because it just makes it more amusing every time I hang up the phone after talking to a webhost, an ISP, or the FBI.

I've spoken with an agent in the Norfolk, VA field office. They're waiting for me to decide whether or not to testify.

Whether or not I do will depend greatly upon a few factors, including action taken by TG's webhost, and my over-all willingness to ruin someone's life.

decisions decisions
i want these guys punished but jail time is harsh
lawsuits OK but jail time?!
some one fucked with you a couple times and you want to take a few years off their life? THAT is fucked up

i can understand what Noctis is saying. if these punks keep stealing money from server admins, then maybe jailtime will straighten them out. its not as if they give a crap. no matter what we throw at them, they shove it off and keep stealing money. maybe a side beating wouldn't be inappropriate.

fire1:

This is just FYI for those who are not clear of the law:

§ 1030. Fraud and Related Activity in Connection with Computers

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(A)

(i) knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer;

(B) by conduct described in clause (i), (ii), or (iii) of subparagraph (A), caused (or, in the case of an attempted offense, would, if completed, have caused)--

(i) loss to 1 or more persons during any 1-year period (and, for purposes of an investigation, prosecution, or other proceeding brought by the United States only, loss resulting from a related course of conduct affecting 1 or more other protected computers) aggregating at least $5,000 in value;

(c) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) or (b) of this section is --
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(4)

(A) a fine under this title, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, in the case of an offense under subsection (a)(5)(A)(i), or an attempt to commit an offense punishable under that subsection;

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Have people forgot about this?

Nope. But we won't know anything new until Friday.

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Ahh, I see. Well, Hope for the best.