This is a MODDING forum.
 

I come on here every other day or so to see if maybe I can use what I know to help someone else. Instead of seeing numerous threads requesting help to learn to do something, all I see is "Someone make me this" or "Need a mapper to make me a map". All I have to say is that if all of us that know how to do this stuff had the same attitude when we started, there would be NOONE who knows how to do it. This is a MODDING forum...not a requests forum. Why not try to do it yourself instead of constantly spamming the boards with requests that will probably never be filled. I myself have grown so sick of this lack of drive to learn that I refuse to do any requests from here on. I strongly believe that most of the people here who do know what they are doing are of the same ideas as me. You people need to grow up and get over this "Mommy will do it for me" ideal you have.

On the same note, all the people that beg for tutorials, I have slightly more respect for you because at least you are going to try to make it yourself. At the same time though, you are pretty much eliminating the processes which will make you a better skinner/modder. The trial and error process is the only true way to learn those little tricks of the trade. In effect, by asking for a step by step instruction you are limiting yourself to mediocrity at best. You will never be a good skinner/modder unless you learn yourself.

In closing, I really wish we could go back to the days of old, when 90% of the people that hung around this forum were people who knew what they were doing and were only here to help each other with those little problems. Now as I look all I see are the people that probably need someone to tie thier shoes for them, or at least need a step by step tutorial on it. In a nutshell what Im saying is, DO IT YOURSELF.

I totally Foking Agree with you, man, look at this: Sniped Ur Azz, was an ass, but he changed, so why don't we all CHANGE !
Sniped Ur Azz, gave us the right path, so why don't we do it all, i mean, look what this is now,
I mean, Who the Fuck Un-Admined and Un-Moderated this forum ? oOo:
That wasn't so smart angel:
Let we all hope Zoner can be a mod again, He was Nice and Good, And the other guy, Simo Hayana, * Can be a mod again, i thouhgt at the first point, nice guy, should be a good forum moderator But then This Happened, oh man shit, i really don't get it, So i 100% agree with you, plzz lets be the old hang around kids again, like we used to be, Plzz... Im begging ya guys cry: cry: cry: cry:

might happen....if the site actually updated had new files that could be uploaded...new design maybe for breakthroguh.....

I'm not trying to start anything, but by making this thread you have now willing asked for people to spam you. Nothing is going to change the way these forums are run. Some people enjoy making maps, mods, and skins, while others would love to but just don't have the time to be dealing with this shit. Yet, at the same time they are looking for ways to improve their mohaa gameplay, and that's where you guys come in. You make the mods that over half the mohaa community uses. If everyone knew how to mod then everyone would make their own stuff and there would be no need for this forum, except for showing off. If what you want is to have a bunch of conceited people plugging their shit on these forums then that's your business, but I personally would hate to see that day.

As for people begging. The world is full of givers and receivers, and it just so happens that there are a hell of a lot more receivers. But, making a post to tell people to get off their asses and make shit themselves won't change a goddamn thing. I appreciate your post, but truthfully you are just wasting your time.

Once again, I mean no disrespect, you are a key asset to these forums and I just think you should keep it that way.

timur what happened to u and modding?

College

u coming back?

Re: This is a MODDING forum.
 

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On the same note, all the people that beg for tutorials, I have slightly more respect for you because at least you are going to try to make it yourself. At the same time though, you are pretty much eliminating the processes which will make you a better skinner/modder. The trial and error process is the only true way to learn those little tricks of the trade. In effect, by asking for a step by step instruction you are limiting yourself to mediocrity at best. You will never be a good skinner/modder unless you learn yourself.

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I agree with everything EXCEPT for what i quoted. I'm just starting to mod and WITH the help of step by step tuts it's helped me come up with some ideas of my own which i worked out with trial and error. Everyone needs some sort of guide to help them through with something they have never done or still new too. So you have a little more respect for people asking for tuts... well god damn I feel so much better now.

Deleto is right. While i myself do not mod, ive been looking (not posting) and coming to this site since the beginning of this year. These forums have been slowly declining. I used to check them for things like scope mods and new maps everyday, but now theres nothing to be found here. Im not telling people to make more stuff, im saying just dont post here and ask stupid questions about who can make me a map of Band of Brothers. Yes i do have a bunch of posts for not making anything, but i do try to help out people when possible. I think its time we put this forum section to rest and tryed to focus on a new game like CoD where we can start the chain all over again where people mod on their own and actually care about these forums...

Yeah, things were just starting to get good around here with Simo and more than like 6 total moderators. Let's face it, they arn't going to catch anything, the forums are gone. We need individual people dedicated ot each section. We need sombody watching the mods section exclusively. No steel fist nazi dumbass, no leneant crowd pleasers, just a good strong mod (in my opnion like Simo) who will put an end ot the bs.

Re: This is a MODDING forum.
 

Exactly my point. I NEVER used a tutorial for ANYTHING. I taught myself and learned by screwing up. Before this game I had NEVER modded anything before, and look at me now. I can do just about anything you should expect to the game. And noone ever gave me a tutorial. When it comes to models I admit that Hobbs and Guarnere were an integral part of my learning to mess with that aspect of the game, but other than them giving me 2 or 3 tips when I got stuck on something, I taught myself this too. They didnt show me step by step how to do it.

As you stated Timur, I believe that that is what this forum was built for. For people to get that tip when they get stuck, or to ask an opinion on something before they put it out for everyone. Criticism affects the work only for the better in most cases. Or maybe for someone who is trying to add a scope effect to a mg to come and ask what zoom level does what. Thats the way it was when I started coming here to show my work and give help. It wasnt built so people to come and spam about a mod they want. It was made to assist modders in releasing higher quality work by getting the opinions and tips from thier peers. A year ago this forum was full of "Check out my new skin" or "My new map is done", now it is full of "I want this made!!" or "Need a mapper to make ME a map".

I suppose that one word is what is causing this. The origins of this forum were built upon modders helping modders, hence giving. Now they are based around People begging endlessly for a modder to make them something that they could very easily learn to make themselves, hence taking.

I support your statement about givers and recievers. I just refuse to be a giver much longer. I will more than gladly help anyone with a question that I may answer, or to throw in my two cents on what could be done to improve a mod, but as far as all these requests go I am through with that.

Dr. D, i think all the beggin in here is pure shit as well. If everyone got off they're ass and just looked for how to do stuff like i do things would be better in here. More power to you if you taught yourself how to do all the amazing things you do for the game but the fact is not everyone can grasp stuff as easy as you seem to. If some of these lazy bastards bothered to look around for tuts to help them out they too could prob start doing stuff on they're own. I just think it's shitty for you to dump on people because they may need a tut to "get they're feet wet", but that's just my opinion. Granted this place isn't the best forum to go for help, BUT TMT has tuts stickied for a reason... to help people just starting out like i am. I go through alot of trial and error and if i get stuck i go there for help and most of the posters there are more than happy to help. How about this for an idea, have 1 of the MMS mods sticky a post with some modding/skinning tuts other than the one that's there now! But like you said and i 100% agree, all the friggin begging here is a joke, get off your ass and try making stuff on your own (maybe with the help of a tut).

leave if u can't handle...just don't complain.

Dr. D,

I agree with you in principle. The problem I have is the old Catch 22; if everyone knew how to mod, there wouldn't be anyone to play our mods, they'd be playing their own.

snowball, take your nonsense back to offtopic.

As far as the tutorials go, more what I meant was people begging for links to tutorials here, not necessarily people using them. I do think that a tutorial should be the last resort, after you have exhausted all ideas you have, but your right. Maybe I was a bit over the edge on that and I apologize for it.

I agree with you too Balr14, what I was stating was more or less that this forums is not about requests. If someone has a request they should pm or email a modder they think is capable of it. I know everyone isnt capable of modding the game, but they also shouldnt spam these boards, which are here for us modders to help our work improve, with nonsense demands. I'm just sick of the way things have turned out here is all.

ur still whinning... how about u try and make a thread directed to the newb modders and get a mod to make it a sticky.... or pm BS

I shoulda known it was you newt. The lack of common sense alone was enough, I just didnt piece it together.

this game is way too easy to mod for people to be begging for people to make stuff, but you forget the art content. I myself could make skins easily, but i suck at and hate image editing.....

and dont think that modelling or skinning makes you that much better than everyone anyhow

hey at least i made an attempt at makeing my own skins, even though they suck. check 'em out

http://www.mohfiles.com/file.info?ID=18249

when i (simo hayha) registered in december this place was decent at the time. then it all came crashing down when guarnere released his models and all the b00ns came flooding in, and flaming others so and so. then the nazi mods arrived and shit on this forum even more. When i went into power my main objective was to bring this place back to its granduer from long ago. and bring along catagories such as Map of the week and Skin of the week. it was fun while it lasted but badscript has banned me. oh well!


-Simo Hayha

My view (for what its worth)
 

Ok mohaa is the 1st game i modded for and that was skinning. I did this by searching the net for "mohaa modding nd editing". Which as well as other places led me here. I admit i used a tutorial (as i suspect so did quite a few of us). I think deleto is right but at the same time i would say there probably wasnt many tuts out there for u to use at that time. Its only when skilled modders share their knowledge that games get recognized and the average joe takes a look. Now without tuts (except for mapping which i am totally shit at) i can resonably mod most parts of the game from maps to skins menus to sounds. I am by no means an ace modder but i enjoy creating something. I think the best solution for noobs to modding has always been look at someone elses work (NOT rip it off) and see how it goes together and practice practice PRACTICE!!!

Modding is not a quick an easy thing to learn but the enjoyment of making something and getting it in game is immense to say the least.

One of the things that does wind me up is as deleto says is the "can u make me a...." attitude either learn to do it yourself or wait till someone else makes it. Suggestions are good and maybe there should be a sticky for it.

but please dont let the flaming and total fuck nuts ruin all our modding fun

i could continue but my breakthrough demo is downloaded and u all probably fell asleep lol so come one guys lets keep it a community instead of a clique

regards scorp

Re: My view (for what its worth)
 

you said it. I can't agree more with this.

Pas, You also proved my point. This game is quite easy to mod for, so why don't these people just try themselves instead of begging? Oh and I never said or thought I was better than anyone. My point was that I am sick of all these people spamming about a mod they want made, then crying when noone makes it.

OK, Dr. D...

After reading some of the recent posts, you win. People just are not willing to expend the effort needed.