Reconstruction
 

I put some thought into TGBs post and BSs replies to it. I would reference the exact post, but it has been deleted.

In the post TGB brought up changing the site layout and a few other good ideas. Amoung them, mod selection, different governing tactics, and better housekeeping.

I have also put some thought to Noctis' suggestion in reference to a more Allied Assault focused AA.

Now bear with me, It's 3AM here and I have just finished my 3rd drink for the night. This may come off as wild, extreme , or even insane. But the more I think about it, the more I am taken on the idea..... this is just a suggestion on a solution for the hax, spam, and general unrest amoung AAers.

Step One. ALL admin and mods be removed making BS the only person within the governing body of the site. This because you have leaked passwords my man, and without knowing how that hapened it would be best to start over. You can then reistate power later as needed.

Step Two. Delete and remove ALL users, and delete the ban list. Everyone starts over with a clean slate. This will allow for everyone to rejoin and will give you an accurate idea of exactly how many posters you actually have.

Step Three. Restart the forums, file submitions, and news articles. This will allow you to make changes easily to the forum layout, and flow of information within the site. Fresh start. This would also be a great oppertunity to get new affiliates and contacts would have to come back to the site and repost info, ect.

Now I know that sounds extreme.... but a fresh start in all aspects of the website and forum could prove to be not only an opertnity for you to rework and refine the site, but also an opertunity for the users to see some real change.

It is my understanding that the only reason this site is attacked is because of banishments and current control factors. I think by deleting ALL accounts and the banlist, that problem could be solved.

I also think that the site and forums could use a good overhaul, no harm in it anyway. You have more than enough trained proffessionals at this site to help you with whatever needs you may have.

And finally, a fresh aprouch and "new" look would be a good marketing move. You would not only improve the user-base, but also gain more ground in sites wanting to be affiliated with AA.

I am open to coment, by all. This is just a thought, but I felt like sharring in light of the recent attack.

Aye, ill be glad to help out if its needed.
And i agree on mosts points there, Zen.
Some of them i feel split againt, but otherwise, you summed it up pretty well.

sounds good
We (and BS) have nothing to lose except our post count, and that's not important at all. beer:

plus, if its fucked, everyone can always join http://www.victorcharlie.net cool:

i totally agree with u zen - anything u need to help - i'm only a pm/email away.

sounds nice. but im sure some of the 69ers wont be too happy.

beh getting rid of the banlist is like sucking off the people who hacked the site.

oh and aint there backups or the forum, so the deleted threads can be brought back...like basically all the stickies in the art forum as THOSE FAGGOT/S DELETED THEM.

so, im the only one who sees a problem with the whole account loss thing?
i disagree with the deletion of all accounts. i dont see how this will help. get rid of the ban list, i dont understand how that would help, other than to give easier access to the asshats who hacked us. but for the love of god do not delete the accounts. and having only 1 mod? no. too much for 1 guy, and that would also make it easier for some1 to hack us. ever heard of safety in numbers, my friend? BS could easily make a new password without having to be alone in moderating this site. deleting every post would also not help. What you are suggesting here, zen, is communism, and by makin BS the only mod, you are simply opening the oor to more abuse and hacking.

You didnt read and understand, as prescripted.
Removing the accounts will make the site flow better and load faster, since a whole bunch of the turds signed up doesnt even come here anymore.
And regarding the moderator thing; Its only for a while, to make sure that no-one except BS will have the proper passwords and allowance to do these kind of things.

then delete the accounts that havent been used in the past, like, 2 months or summat. still i dont see why it would help to have only 1 mod. why? we can have all the old mods, just new passwords and stuff for them if th old ones were leaked.

That is why they have to be deleted first. If any of the accounts is still in the system, and has access to the Admin password, he will not be able to know which one it is. And out of safety purpose, the mods must be removed for a while, and then reinstated, once things have been sorted.
Never did he say that they should be deleted for good.

And you must have mixed communism and capitalism up.
The communism class system is based upon the thought of equality. In other words, we would all be moderators, if this was a communistic forum.

Right, I get what you guys are saying in terms of the banlist. Let me explain my thought process on that..... To elimainate a threat or neusence you have to route out the source. We could ban proxies for years and it still would not resolve the matter. It would only cause more attacks.

The way I see it, a new start, to include those who have been previolsly banned, could be just the gesture to make a difference. I am willing to bet the banlist is 95% proxies anyway, and only 1-2% not from the revolutions.

As far as the accounts go, I am sure the 69ers would be somewhat apprehensive about it, but we all know post counts and join dates dont mean shit. We only have about 60-100 regular posters, the rest are smurfs and inactive members. Cleaning house completely would be much easier than deciding on a account by account basis.

As far as passwords and modship are concerned, all should be removed and even BSs own account. This should be done to eliminate the possibillity of passwords and user accounts from containing leaked information. New Mods and admins can be reinstated after everything is set up, with the upmost discression used in the not only the selection of those possitions, but also in the selection of their passwords.

I am not saying that BS should do all the modding himself, I am just saying that without knowing how or who leaked information the easiest solution would be to clean it all out and start over.

This is just an idea, I doubt it will be followed up on, and I am glad to see coments about it.

it took me 2 years to get 647 posts, and im not about to spend another 2 years trying to make em up

that's because you have a life....stop it stop it now!

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i say again, your point about the ban list being abolished zen is just too nice and is totally against the whole fact of having a banlist...to ban people, letting the people who done this back into the site? how about no....

[quote="Da_Bian":11db7]sounds good
We (and BS) have nothing to lose except our post count, and that's not important at all. beer:

plus, if its fucked, everyone can always join [url="http://www.victorcharlie.net"]http://www.victorcharlie.net[/url] cool:[/quote:11db7]

Speak for yourself. My post count is the only reason i live.




Oh, and the game itself is 90% dead. Focusing the site more on this POS wouldnt help a whole lot.

[quote="Da_Bian":45f1a]sounds good
We (and BS) have nothing to lose except our post count, and that's not important at all. beer:

plus, if its fucked, everyone can always join [url="http://www.victorcharlie.net"]http://www.victorcharlie.net[/url] cool:[/quote:45f1a]

vc.net, blow me

Zen's post sounds like he's Abraham Lincoln

Good thoughts though.

I dont do NVA

I dont think people spam and hack this site because they were banned, they do it because they want to, its as simple as that. The best way would be to delete everything and start over, but is that the sole plan for future attacks. Face it, this site is a magnet for hackers for whatever reason, banning, bored, the lame. Its just a matter of time before it is done again, and then BS would have to delete/restart everything again. I like the idea of deleting all the mods and anyone who has access to make changes. That should be the first thing on the to do list. After BS sorts out all the accounts that have editing power, he can restart them and reinstate zoner and any mod he chooses to remain active and give them new passwords. (I think he should also change passwords on his whim and just email them to their respective mods.) I dont know if BS has any other suggestions, but all the ideas coming out onto this thread look like great ideas and I think BS has plenty of options.

it WAS because they were banned...and deleting everything will just be like giving up, fuck that,

the plan has potential

Yep... i will sure miss my 69 number, but I guess its worth it.

I as well am in support of dropping the a-bomb on this site and starting over anew with all new mods, topics etc....


Maybe make up some new rules etc...such as making a topic relevant...while most all of us have added something dumb to a thread (omg!!!11 butsecks)..that adds to the hilarity of it all...

but Creating a thread that states

Thread: Sexiness

Hey I know static and madmar are teh leet super pimps...how can I be cool like an armidillo and be sexy and have teh womens want pewppy sechs wif me
show me the ways of iot all

^^^^
= Thread deletion....keeping dumbshit like that with absolutely no substance is dumb....sorry duke of your 1500 posts...1498 of them were teh sux

I dont care for post counts but i dont think deleting everything would be a good idea. Thats like giving in to terroris. Dont be Spain people/1! Dont be Spain!! biggrin: All new moderators is a good idea though.,

Guys,

The deletion of posts and of accounts has two purposes. By deleting both you not only make this site clean and easy to alter, but you also have a empty user base, making it easy to determine how many user you have and getting rid of unneeded smurfs and inactive accounts.

Here is why you shouldn't do one and not the other:

With all accounts deleted, but some posts remaining you would have posts by guests, I can type up the same thing as before under a new account just as well...so why leave any posts?

With all posts deleted, but some accounts remaining you would show that some people are more important than others, it would be unfair to everyone. Do we have anyone who could not register again?

I go through the old posts all the time, and it's great to reminise, but its an online forum, not the familly photo album.
A clean and empty site would be easier to upgrade, and offer a new page in history if you will for all users.

I dont think that deleting it all and begining anew is giving up, I see it as quite the opposite. I see it as a chance to move forward and move in new directions.

Missed an issue.....

The banlist is debatable, no doubt, and there are different ways to look at the same problem.

I think it was Bane that had the idea of creating a html block until post count reached a certain number, and it's a great idea. But it doesn't solve the issue, it only offers one more obsticle for potential attakers.

The banning is ineffective, Im sure we can all see that. It only stops an attacker until he gets anouther proxy. Now if there is a method that stops all proxies, then you have a good defence system.

Outside of that, it seems to me the best chance to stop attackers would be to eliminate the need for attacking.
And your right Static, I may be too nice. I have been accused of that before, nothing new, lol.

I completely agree with zen here.

I am so glad you posted Strvs, Exalt could have all nessecary graphics for the new site in what..... 3-5 days?

Give er a week or so.

If yer design team got together and did it.. Ja, why not..

I totally agree with Zen, thats a great idea!!!!

Although I did work hard on spamming to get this many posts...

i gotta say, im with static on this one. other than redesign, none of these things are realistic or helpful to the problem. as DW has said, it was not hacking, but some1 (akuna likely) gave out the password for admins, and some1 fuked with some non-essential shit. it wasnt catastrophic, just annoying, and not worth deleting every1 and letting these banned b00ns back on. As for unfairness, whats more unfair: us deleting ppl who never use this site, or them taking up bandwidth and memory from us and never using it?

And how would Akuma have gotten his hands on the pw's?

butsexsx

So many of the frequent posters wouldnt bother to join back, and the site would just die.

Rejoining takes 5 seconds dude, if your to lasy to join....drink a slim fast.

This place is holding on by a thread as it is. Most people would just say fuck it

Hmm, nedxziconsa has a point here. im not quite sure what to think...im naked.

[quote="T.Hunter":be5a9]it took me 2 years to get 647 posts, and im not about to spend another 2 years trying to make em up[/quote:be5a9]

took me this long to get my posts, and im goin for 2000 :) i wanna be a GOA lol. anyway, i think BS should delete all of the people that have less then 1000 posts, or even 500. also, enabled forum pruning so posts that dont get posted on in more then a set amout of days are deleted. and let every person that registers have to be activated by BS.

also, update the forums to the newest version of phpBB, the current one is 2.0.8a, im not too sure what version this is but by upgrading it, it gets rid of some security holes and possibly be "less-hackable"