What Processor...
 

Quick question, I havewn't been keeping up on Computer Specs lately I was wondering if the

AMD FX 55 64 is worth the money (174 bucksmore) over the AMD 4000 (Sockey939) ? Is the performance in these high priced processors worth it ? Is theri a cheaper solution with near performance of these two ? (AMD wise/ I don't buy intel)... Unless you have some sort of p4 that is really worth it etc.

Gerv, Akuma, Machette... I need your opinions most on this one.

Re: What Processor...
 

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AMD FX 55 64 is worth the money (174 bucksmore) over the AMD 4000 (Sockey939) ?
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I would say "No", but it depends on how much cash you've got to spare. If you Google for some benchmarks you'll find that there isn't a lot between those 2 processors, performance wise.




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Is the performance in these high priced processors worth it ? [/quote:0bbb2]

Yes.




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Is theri a cheaper solution with near performance of these two ? (AMD wise/ I don't buy intel) [/quote:0bbb2]

Yes. Consider buying an Athlon 64 3500 Winchester, and overclock the fucker. They're reasonably priced and are supposed to overclock well with good cooling.




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Gerv, Akuma, Machette... I need your opinions most on this one.[/quote:0bbb2]

spank:

I don't really keep up with the new tech stuff unless im looking to upgrade. The amd 64's usually beat p4's in anything but video encoding where intel has a bit of an advantage.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njc1

Theyre worth the money id say, im probably gonna switch over to amd sometime next year.

i'm getting a amd 64 3400 probably within the next month!

A nice performance increase from a 2000 biggrin:

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Get the new Winchester 90nm chips. They overclock like a dream. The 3500+ is good price point. Really good stock performace plus insane overclocks.

If you don't want to spend that much get a 3000+ or 3200+ they are cheap and usually OC to 2.6ghz or more on air.

IMO, 4000+ and the FX series are a waste of money. At most a 10% performance improvement but hundreds of dollars more.

as long as we are on hardware, Akuma, which is better a 5700 Ultra or a 5900XT ? both are from BFG.

get a 6600GT (AGP version i'm guessing)

i was gonna but, its 215$ and i dont want to spend THAT much unless my mom pays for half and i pay for half.

i just got my athalon 64, its 1337

yeah who knows maybe by next year ill do a full upgrade on my computer :)

5900XT is faster, but I highly suggest you get either a 9800 Pro if you can find it for around $150-170 or spend the extra and get a 6660GT.

Alright, ill give you a scoop of what im going for.

-Antec Sonata Piano Black Quiet Case (sound proofed)
-Win3500 + 90nm
-Zalman CNPS7000B
-Asus AN8 SLI Deluxe
-OCZ 1GB PC4000 EL Dual Channel Gold (or) Corsair 1GB XMS Pro Series PC 3200 TwinX1024LL
-120 GB WD Cavier SATA 150 7200 RPM HD (or) 74 GB Raptor SATA 150 10 000 rpm
-Vantec Stealth 520Watt PSU
-(Using my old FOrtissimo 7.1 3 sound card and my gigaworks 7.1 speakers from my current system.)
-Thermaltake censor fans all over the case,

Which choices on the ram and HD do you think would be best ? s the raptor harddrive worth it ? (I only use Western Digital)

That Corsair RAM is TCCD if I remember right. That means they can run super low latencies at high speeds... sort of the new BH-5 if you know your RAM....

Anyways the hard drives is more of your own personal opinion. What do you need more? Space or speed? I used to have a 74GB raptor and it wasn't much faster than my 7200rpm drives... at least not $150 faster.

What graphics card are you getting? You'll need a PCIe card with that.

still deciding on that, I got a month to decide and a shitload of cash to spend, does that board not have a agp slot on it ? I would like to buy Himmlers old 4600 and run it for a few months until i commit myslef to spending 500 bucks on a brandspanking new one. Probably going to stay with the OCZ, considering ill save 150 bucks on it.

To answer the original question, its really a personal decision if the FX55 is worth the extra cash. Both the FX55 and the 4000+ are very expensive. If you are already spending that much, the extra may not bother you.

In repsonse to a couple other statements made - the intel chips used to be better for video processing, but the FX55 ended that. Intel is now 2nd fiddle across the board to AMD.

The 90nm winchesters have the potential to be good overclockers, but they have turned out to be hit or miss. Inconsistentcy of the on die memory controllers seem to be to blame. Overclocking is always a crap shoot, but the winchesters are even more so.

If you really want to roll the dice get the 3000+ winchester. The good ones overclock to the same speeds as teh good 3500+s. But if you do draw a poor overclocker, the faster chipss will still be fast. The 4000+ will be fast no matter what. My 3500+ winchester is only a moderate overclocker, and it still reaches 4000+/fx53 speeds with a minimum of fuss (but not nearly what I hoped for).

Either ram listed above is fine. Both have their benefits. The corsair will have tighter timings at stock and medium overclocks, the ocz will overclock with more ease - less voltage and little need to mess with the timings or memory splitters.

That case only comes with 2 spots for fans. A 120mm exhaust and a 120mm intake. A single exhaust if ususally more than plenty for stock applications. The value of that case is the quietness of the the power supply and how it is matched to the passive air intakes. If you are replacing the powersupply and planning on adding additional fans above the two stock placements, i would consider getting a different case all together. Maybe the coolermaster wavemaster. It may server you purposes better. If you do go with teh sonata and soundproof it, make sure you dont cover the passive air holes on the sides.

I would recommend the diamondmax10 250mb 16mb cache harddrive. Smae price as the raptor, only a hair slower and 3 times the storage.

SLI mobos will require pci-e video cards.

You write a lot of smart-looking stuff. oOo:



I have always been told that AMD is best for "cheap" gaming, not so much because of it's performance, but it's cheaper, or something like that. eek:

[quote="Jin-Roh":3c317]I have always been told that AMD is best for "cheap" gaming, not so much because of it's performance, but it's cheaper, or something like that. eek:[/quote:3c317]

Yes, but ever since the A64 line came out, AMD has taken over the best gaming at any price and best all round performance at any price titles. And it still offers many of the best gaming values as well. They are the only choice for me.

Things are gonna get uglier for intel before they get better. SLI preformance will probably be better on amd's as well since nvidia doesnt have an nforce chipset. AMD will probably beat them to dual core cpus also.

Well here is my revised decision.

-Thermaltake® Xaser III VM3000A SKULL Steel ATX Case w/ Window w/o Power supply $144.99
-AMD® Athlon™ 64 - 3500 - 512K L2 Cache (Socket 939) 90nm Retail Box $349.99
-Zalman CNPS7700-Cu Heatsink & Fan $74.99
-Asus® A8N-SLI Deluxe, Socket 939, NVIDIA nForce®4 SLI™ Chipset w/ PCI Express x16 (ATX) $264.99
-OCZ 1Gb PC4000 DDR EL Dual Channel Gold Revision 2 Edition (2 x 512Mb) (OCZ5001024ELDCGER2-K) $354.99
-120 GB Western Digital® Cavier™ SE SATA-150 7200RPM 8Mb OEM $109.99
-Panasonic 3½ in (1.44Mb) Floppy Disk Drive, Black $9.99
-Asus® Extreme EN6800TD w/256Mb DDR & PCI-Express Retail Box $549.99
-Vantec Stealth 520W Aluminum ATX Power Supply $129.99


Regular Price: $1989.91
Best Price: $1937.84

pest or anyone have any critiques about this video card ? (I changed the case after researching it more after yourp ost etc. Is the vantec powerful enough to keep everything going well ? including my video card all the fans, hd's + the slight overclock ill probably run. ? I would hope a 520 watt psu would be enough....

I think you'd be better getting a 6800gt rather than that card, cant seem to find any reviews on it but a gt probably wouldn't cost all that much more.

is that asus card not the ultra ? I don't think it is the GT.

Nope its not an ultra

http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/pro ... ctid=18149

Ultra clock speeds are around 425(core)\550 memory (1.1ghz dddr)

The clocks on that are 350\300 (600mhz ddr)

That card is a GT.

I would stay away from asus nvidia cards. They the one distributor for the 6800 line that uses deceptive naming standards. Kind of dissappointing for a comany of asus' reputation, but if you get anythig from them, make sure you verify the specs. An Ultra should have 400mhz core speed.

520w should be plenty, but that psu just had a really poor review in maximum pc. They recommend the Antec neopower 480 over anything else. They also like the ocz powerstream 520 which is very similarly priced to the vantec.

Thermaltake® Xaser III VM3000A SKULL Steel ATX Case w/ Window w/o Power supply $144.99
AMD® Athlon™ 64 - 3500 - 512K L2 Cache (Socket 939) 90nm Retail Box $349.99
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu Heatsink & Fan $59.99
Asus® A8N-SLI Deluxe, Socket 939, NVIDIA nForce®4 SLI™ Chipset w/ PCI Express x16 (ATX) $264.99
OCZ 1Gb PC4000 DDR EL Dual Channel Gold Revision 2 Edition (2 x 512Mb) (OCZ5001024ELDCGER2-K) $354.99
120 GB Western Digital® Cavier™ SE SATA-150 7200RPM 8Mb OEM $109.99
Panasonic 3½ in (1.44Mb) Floppy Disk Drive, Black $9.99
On-Board AGP Video built-into motherboard $0.01
OCZ 520W Power Stream ATX Power Supply - Supports P4 (OCZ520ADJ) $159.99
Regular Price: $1454.93
Best Price: $1415.21

and the video card

thinnking about buyiing one from pricewatch form a seller with a good rating.

Quickly help me find the cheapest pci express radeon x800xt and 6800 ultra cards, from somewhere that ship to canada :).

Why are you getting that shitty overpriced Thermaltake case? The only good product they ever made was Tsunami which is only $100. I got it for Christmas and it's an incrdible case. I had the Coolermaster Praetorian before that and it was also a great case for ~$100,

That motherboard doesn't have onboard video. So subtract that one cent.... eek:

Good luck with finding at PCIe 6800U or X800XT...

Shouldn't be too hard to find, the demand for those cards is in agp variation not pci-e. UK online stores have quite a few of them.

I dont know who ships to canada. The 6800ultra pci-e are very difficult to find. I read that since there are very few pci-e mother boards out, both nvidia and ati havent produced many of the current generation of cards for pci-e. And of the ones they did produce, the pc builders got first choice. The x800xt is easier to find, but no platinum editon pci-e cards have been produced yet. They have said all of the PEs went to satisfy AGP demand. I use pricewatch.com to find scarce parts, but again, I dont really know who does and doesnt ship up north.

Raaaawr!

that is in canadian dollers, and its the only case for the buck there worth it, the rest were all lian li's and they rang in way to high. I found a x800xt by power color or gigabyte, one of the 2. It looks like a good buy so hopefully if they still have them at the end of the month, ill dish up the money and buy it. I am guessing the difference between the platinum and regular xt version is not that huge.

[quote="Short Hand":b6345]that is in canadian dollers, and its the only case for the buck there worth it, the rest were all lian li's and they rang in way to high. I found a x800xt by power color or gigabyte, one of the 2. It looks like a good buy so hopefully if they still have them at the end of the month, ill dish up the money and buy it. I am guessing the difference between the platinum and regular xt version is not that huge.[/quote:b6345]



Nope not to much difference.

x800xt = 500\1000
x800xt-pe = 520\1120


Usually can overclock the xt's to xt-pe pretty easily anywyay.