After looking at Gerald's sig I realized what's wrong with the CGI movie EA made that made it look so unrealistic. I was because all the characters were moving to fast in the movie. Notice that Gerald's sig is a lot slower and the characters movie in a more realistic manner.

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I'm gonna get bitched out for being anal but...

Also on the clip with the MG42 the spent shell-casings seem to be ejecting out of either the side or the top of the receiver. On a real MG42, and MG34, the ejection port os on the bottom of the reciever, just forward of the trigger grouping. The casings eject strait down.

Bitch all you want but believe me on this one...


[This message has been edited by Bürgen (edited July 13, 2001).]

Well, now dont take this as a bitch

but this is one of those points i was talking about
im sure they are well aware of the fact that it is SUPPOSED to eject out of the bottom, but i for one when i see a game and see a gun like that, i sort of expect to see bullets flying outta the top of it, makes for more action and such

so they probably opted to do it that way making for a more action packed scene and more effects/details.

then again they could be totally wrong and not know it

blah

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Damn all this over a dinky gif i made http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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!!WERMACHT!!
When you absoloutely positively have to kill every last ally accept no substitutes.

Just wondering which name sounds better. Allied assault rolls of the tongue easier but allied invasion imo is more what the game is about since u have the d-day landings and stuff.

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!!WERMACHT!!
When you absoloutely positively have to kill every last ally accept no substitutes.

maybe its just not about the d-day landing . there's too much concentration on that . alot of people liked SPR only because of the normandy invasion , so do you think they should have changed the name to that movie .

i hope this game isnt just famous for that one level . geeeezzzzzzzzzz http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/tongue.gif

Gerard, how do you make a movie your sig?

I made that using ulead gif animator. Load the vid into gif animator then select the frames you want then optomize and compress it.

again I wonder what the game would be like with all our suggestions

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I would say it would take more of a budget, and about three to four (or more) years to get almost everything in the game.

I would wait that long. And I wouldn't care if the technology available could blow the long developed game out of the water when It finnaly came out. It would still be just as fun. Also, if it did take that long, then you would simply have higher developed computer that could handle everything the game had to offer. Other then now, when It feels like the minimum requirments are a joke, and the recommended is the actual minimum.

But as real as the programers could make it, your own body would not be in 1940's Normandy, and you would not have the mindset of a 1920's born soldier fighting in the war.

As someone else mentioned earlier on another post. The only thing that's 100% was the War itself and the people involved.

However, With a video game, better yet a computer simulation, you can get an Idea of what it was really like.

...But you still cant simulate the aura of a cool morning, a bruse on your shoulder from the weapon you're issued with, or actaully feeling tired from running around all day..

Oh Yes, I think while they are working on this game for four or five years, then they should go the the Bundeswehr and record a Zug of german soldiers singing German Military Marchings songs! That would be increidable to see a platton of Grenadiere marching to the front singning "Westerwaldlied" or my favorite, "Erika"

Everyone, sing along! http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
Und das heißt: Erika.
Heiß von hunderttausend kleinen Bienelein
Wird umschwärmt Erika.
Denn ihr Herz ist voller Süßigkeit,
Zarter Duft entströmt dem Blumenkleid
Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
Und das heißt: Erika.
2. In der Heimat wohnt ein kleines Mägdelein
Und das heißt: Erika.
Dieses Mädel ist mein treues Schätzelein
Und mein Glück, Erika.
Wenn das Heidekraut rot-lila blüht,
Singe ich zum Gruß ihr dieses Lied.
Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
Und das heißt: Erika.

3. In mein'm Kämmerlein blüht auch ein Blümelein
Und das heißt: Erika.
Schon beim ersten Morgengrau'n sowie beim Dämmerschein
Schaut's mich an, Erika.
Und dann ist es mir, als spräch' es laut:
Denkst du auch an deine kleine Braut?
In der Heimat weint um dich ein Mägdelein
Und das heißt: Erika!

JezusChr7st - I spoke to Justin, one of the Devoplers of the game about it, and they just didnt know about it. Hopefully in the game they will just shoot out of the bottom.

"..but i for one when i see a game and see a gun like that, i sort of expect to see bullets flying outta the top of it, makes for more action and such"

My god, Im sorry but that is just LAME. Why not add some lazer and flashlights on it, and make the muzzleflash blast 5 meters from the barrel...

Again, "It's all about looks, dude"

Yeah right.

well, in retort i could say that singing old german marching songs is pretty lame, but what do i know *sneeze*

erm, well yes... but how many of us in action movies/games etc etc have ever seen a bigass machine gun spit bullet casings from the TOP of the chamber?

thats about all i can recall... dont see too many movies with guns that shoot bullet casings out the bottom.... u just dont.

now sorry for being lame... you know... me not being a great re-inactor or anything...........

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Okay, it's your world not mine http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/tongue.gif

"well, in retort i could say that singing old german marching songs is pretty lame, but what do i know *sneeze*"

The real German soldiers sang the songs were LAME too huh?

"erm, well yes... but how many of us in action movies/games etc etc have ever seen a bigass machine gun spit bullet casings from the TOP of the chamber?"

Why did you bring this up, it's like you are repling to yourself?

"thats about all i can recall... dont see too many movies with guns that shoot bullet casings out the bottom.... u just dont."

Yeah, those MG-42's and .30 Cal Brownings didnt eject out of the bottom in Saving Private Ryan, They edited it coming out of the side for enjoyment.


[This message has been edited by -Waffenampt- (edited July 15, 2001).]

/me starts picking and picking at myself until im all gone

wow, so thats how it feels...

oh, well.... umm..... im glad, i am here for your enjoyment... and that is all http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

oh, my my my waff buddy.
can i call you waff? i can?
great.

hmm, i dont got the energy to reply to "all" of that.

so... umm.... christ..... i was just saying.... my feeble little mind cant remember too many details.... my mistake

would it be ok if i went and perhaps did a self-crucifiction?

and in closing... *sneeze*
fucking allergies



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gerard your sig makes everything take like a minute for me to load, plz make it smaller in size

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Yeah, those MG-42's and .30 Cal Brownings didnt eject out of the bottom in Saving Private Ryan, They edited it coming out of the side for enjoyment.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm what mg42 are you referring to? IF your on about the one in the Concrete bunker at omaha beach there was no casings flying anywhere. Even the one in the sandbag bunker didn't have casings bouncing anywhere. The reason i know is i have the dvd and just checked http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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!!WERMACHT!!
When you absoloutely positively have to kill every last ally accept no substitutes.

haha, my copy of the movie is at school so I cant check, but have anyone (excluding Waffen) http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif seen the movie "Olympia 1. Teil - Fest der Völker (1938)", I bring it up because the director, Leni Riefenstahl was Hitlers favourite film director, and a film of her life is being made...oops, this should be in the other forum...

Also, remember that was an early cgi movie, if you have a look at the gamespot gameplay movie, no rounds can be seen flying from the top of the gun, in fact, no rounds can be seen whatsoever, so they must be ejecting from the bottom...

Gerard - I was being sarcastic. Jesus himself was apparently claiming that no movie has featured a Belt fed or large machine gun ejecting it's shells from the bottom.

"... dont see too many movies with guns that shoot bullet casings out the bottom.... u just dont"

When infact Saving Private Ryan featured both of these weapons ejecting their shells from the bottom. My comment on the .30 Cal Brownings and MG-42s ejecting out of the side for just the movie's sake of effect to make it more exciting, was a sarcastic remark. As in the film, they are ejecting out of the bottom like they should, and again Jesus said no movie has ever shown. There are also other films featuring the shells busting out of the bottom of the MG-42's receiver, Kelly's Heroes, To Hell & Back, The Bridge at Remagen, The Bridge (German 1950's movie), Force Ten from Navarone, Etc Etc..

So, His remark is awkward, unbalanced and unfounded.

Also note, just for the heck of it, In Saving Private Ryan, most of the time the MG-42's are NOT firing rounds. Only short true bursts with new sound overlay and edited muzzle flash. The very first shot behind the MG-42's crew up in the bunker, the weapon is only firing quick burst. Not the sustained fire you see and hear. Look at the positioning of the forward Iron sights. And when the weapon is shown close up and from the right side, you can see the empty belt only moving out of the weapon at maybe two or three links at a time, when the weapon is made to look like it's just blasting away.

Another cool little movie fact is that one of the Space Marines in Aliens is wielding a MG-42 that was mounted on a Steady Camera Hip Mount, and is changed around to look very spacy, by removing the buttstock and replacing it with a Motorcycle like braking handle. The original trigger grouping's handle was cut off and was rigged to the Braking handle to fire the weapon.
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Von Paulus - The film about her life sounds interesting. Makes me wonder how they are going to film the large stage settings and Etc.. Probably computers.

(Oh yeah, Gerard, you are spelling "Wehrmacht" incorrectly)

god

coming to this forum and reading your posts make my life more amusing

*laughs*


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the movie was fiction, there was never a James Ryan who got rescued by a Capt. Miller! It was Hollywood, not history.

Do you have anything to criticize about the movie other than its plot ?

I know not *everything* was as "real" as it could have been, but hey; reality itself is not as real as it appears http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/tongue.gif mouahahahaha

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bürgen:
the movie was fiction, there was never a James Ryan who got rescued by a Capt. Miller! It was Hollywood, not history.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a plot ! ah man, nevermind... http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

what I'm saying is that it seemed as if you were telling me that the movie was accurate, historically. That is what it sounded like, I'm not saying that the movie shouldn't have been made, but just that those who use it as a piece of historical reference shouldn't do so.

They use it as a historical tool in the sense that the action depicted in the movie was brutally honest.

Everything was accurate from the combat environments (omaha and other places) right down to the weapons. They weren't referring to the plot... at least I hope so. http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

yes and no, the movie is accurate in that it shows you how a combat environment is. But, there is much that is not accurate in the movie, not just the plot. of course most of the guys on this forum would say "it doesn't matter, it's just a movie". Things such as the german soldiers huddled around the tiger at the end, it was standard procedure to NOT stand around a tank! in the US army it was, but not in the wehrmacht! And why would you send the squad medic up the middle as a diversion against two MG-42 teams? If the 101st was mis-dropped all over france (which it was) then how did they mannage to get two Browning M1919A3's and an unlimmited supply of ammo for them at the end of the movie.

As you can see it wasn't just the plot that was inaccurate. It was a good movie but it wasn't any thing more than that.

Another few things (yes I'm still talking)in reference to the accurate weapons:

In the Omaha scene it shows the MG42 teams firing from a concrete pillbox, but do you notice anything lacking? Anything important? (tibi, listen up i'm on a role...) NO LAFETTE MOUNT!!!! When in a fixed position, which a pillbox is, the MG team would place the MG-42, -34, -15, -13, etc. on a heavy tripod called a lafette mount, which changed it from a light to a heavy machine gun, they would use this because they would pre-register distance, tragectory, etc, so they would cause maximum damage. but in the movie they obviously thought that they could save an extra couple thousand bucks and just leave it out.

Also, in the same scene Cpt Miller uses his thomson to take out a german MG team in a sandbag revetment, at a range of about 200 meters! the effecive accurate range of a .45cal tommy was less than 150m and yet he hits everyone in a five mile radius that is wearing feldgrau.

I could go on but it is getting late and I need some coffee

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(that's waffenampt behind the '42)

[This message has been edited by Bürgen (edited July 16, 2001).]

by the way, if you look hard enough, you can see some of the 'authentic SS soldiers' wearing tarnjacken (camo) made out of good ol' US army surplus woodland camouflage!

if you want to see a GREAT military movie that rivals SPR for action, go down and rent 'Stallingrad' which is about, you guessed it, stallingrad! Because it was made in germany, the film makers actually talked with and listened to the actual veterans and to suggestions (kinda like what this forum is suppoed to be like, except this forum shuns the people who actually knows what they talk about). As such it IS an accurate AND great movie with plenty of gore for those of you who like that stuff...

[This message has been edited by Bürgen (edited July 16, 2001).]

OK I'll stop...

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Originally posted by Bürgen: the movie was fiction, there was never a James Ryan who got rescued by a Capt. Miller! It was Hollywood, not history.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And the commander of the C Company of the 2nd Ranger Bn. was CPT Gorranson.

I like SPR for the way it shows realistic war effect... with blood, guts, members, pain like the f***'in real war.

The seem to be historical but not at all story really make me sick.

SgtPerry

AAAWWWW, The music in Stalingrad really sucked...Though the movie was very good, I particularly liked the scene in which Rollo, Von Witzland, um, Gege and, oh, The Big Nosed one went down into the sewers with the flamethrower...As well as the T-34 attack (they may be KV-1's, aint seen the movie for awhile), but I'm wondering, why do they use the same halftrack at least 3 times during the movie ?
Also, and I'm not sure 'bout this one, but, when the soldier is ordered to "smoke out" the Russians in the factory, Isn't he holding a plain old steilhandgranate (I could be wrong) and the amount of destruction is enormous? And why couldn't the Russians hit him ?, And he was AT LEAST 30 yards away when he threw it...

Anywho, A great movie...And some of the blood looks ridiculous, almost like dyed water... http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

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kinda like what this forum is suppoed to be like, except this forum shuns the people who actually knows what they talk about]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


boohoo ... http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/icons/icon18.gif

maybe you guys (not Tibi) should stop basing all of your knowledge off of movies. They are ALL in someway 'hollywoodized' and are crap. To burst your bubble: SPR was TOTALLY FICTION! there was NO policy in the US or ANY army to bring back a person because his brothers died. If you want to learn something watch the real movies from the era, ie "Mannen Gehgen Panzer", read a book, or ask a veteran questions, they don't bite... ...well except that one...

...when Herbert Werner, a U-boat Kapitan from '42-'45, lost his entire family, his mother, father, sister, Fiance, cousin, and grandparents in allied bombing raids, he didn't get to go home. He didn't even get so much as leave!

It wasn't a policy Burgen: it was a personal order issued by one of the high-ranking officers of the "typing" center.. hence you'll have to look elsewhere in the movie for your fictional material.


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