[Trunks]

Originally Posted by c312

what other way is there to retaliate. If you have an idea, go for it. Just don't say be passive because that didn't work already.

The point is not that we should not retaliate. It is how. Killing the leader will solve absolutely nothing, which is what this topic is about.

[c312]

So we should not retaliate? Sort of like we did after the first WTC bombing, and then after the embassy bombings in the late 90s....You can't let somebody keep punching you in the face and just do nothing about it if they won't stop. It comes to a point where ignoring it doesn't work. And I'm sure that the families of the victims of 9/11 would agree.

[tomxtr]

He's not saying don't retaliate. I think he's trying to say make friends with Bin Laden and kill all other arabs/persians.

[c312]

Originally Posted by tomxtr

He's not saying don't retaliate. I think he's trying to say make friends with Bin Laden and kill all other arabs/persians.

[quote:70afa] The point is not that we should not retaliate.[/quote:70afa]

oOo:

[Tripper]

How is wasting time and money to kill him going to help you? All it will do is piss them off more and give them more anti-american motivation because he will be matyred.

Pull out of Iraq and fuck them all. After a while they'll probably just give up, especially as they have less people willing to kill themselves to kill Americans because they have no motivation to do so.

[c312]

After a while=after lots of Americans are dead...

that is an unacceptable solution.

I'll say it again, you can't let a person keep punching you in the face hoping that they will just get tired and quit, especially when the damage is human lives instead of just bruises.

[Stammer]

Originally Posted by c312

After a while=after lots of Americans are dead...

that is an unacceptable solution.

I'll say it again, you can't let a person keep punching you in the face hoping that they will just get tired and quit, especially when the damage is human lives instead of just bruises.

It's called non-violence and it's worked effectivly before.

[c312]

yeah, but Ghandi and MLK weren't battling crazy mofos who didn't care what everybody thought about them, sorta like Osama. He's not like the British in India who are facing public scrutiny or the white in the South who were caught in the changing times of the 60s looking like stupid racist hillbillies. Osama doesn't give a shit what people think about him, in fact, he gets positive attention for what he does. It's completely different than the other cases where non-violence was used and that's easy to see.

[Trunks]

alright so what do you two purpose then? Obviously, we must retaliate, i mean fuck trying to comprehend your enemy, lets just kill the "mofo." Thats what you want right? And then, we can exterminate all the other islamic nations, ya know, just to make sure. Cuz all those "crazy mofos" might try something like that again, so lets just kill em all! Huh? Huh? And if the muslims in America dont like it, we can accuse them of terrorism and send them to prison. Is taht what you want? Is that the kind of retaliation you are calling for? Because that my friend, goes beyond the realm of retaliation, and into what I like to call extermination. Big difference between the two.

[Stammer]

Thank Religion for this mess.

[tomxtr]

Originally Posted by Trunks

alright so what do you two purpose then? Obviously, we must retaliate, i mean fuck trying to comprehend your enemy, lets just kill the "mofo." Thats what you want right? And then, we can exterminate all the other islamic nations, ya know, just to make sure. Cuz all those "crazy mofos" might try something like that again, so lets just kill em all! Huh? Huh? And if the muslims in America dont like it, we can accuse them of terrorism and send them to prison. Is taht what you want? Is that the kind of retaliation you are calling for? Because that my friend, goes beyond the realm of retaliation, and into what I like to call extermination. Big difference between the two.

That's just crazy talk. calmdown: Explain to me what is wrong with what the US and its Allies have done in Afghanistan. You have agreed that the US, not only had the right to, but should have retaliated for 9/11. I'm not seeing where the disconnect is between our thought processes. You say that killing the leader will solve nothing, but you haven't suggested what will solve the terrorism problem. Personally, I am not concerned with how killing Bin Laden will make the extremists feel. My sense is that we have a fight on our hands anyway. I may be a bit jaded, though. My grandfather is retired Navy, my dad is retired Army and my brother is active duty Army, so I guess you could say that I'm not from one of those "kinder, gentler" families.

Originally Posted by tomxtr

He's not saying don't retaliate. I think he's trying to say make friends with Bin Laden and kill all other arabs/persians.

BTW, that was a joke for those of you who didn't catch on. stupid:

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by tomxtr

That's just crazy talk. Explain to me what is wrong with what the US and its Allies have done in Afghanistan. You have agreed that the US, not only had the right to, but should have retaliated for 9/11. I'm not seeing where the disconnect is between our thought processes. You say that killing the leader will solve nothing, but you haven't suggested what will solve the terrorism problem. Personally, I am not concerned with how killing Bin Laden will make the extremists feel. My sense is that we have a fight on our hands anyway. I may be a bit jaded, though. My grandfather is retired Navy, my dad is retired Army and my brother is active duty Army, so I guess you could say that I'm not from one of those "kinder, gentler" families.

1) I do not disagree with the war in Afganistan, altho it seems a bit rushed to me.
2) What will solve the terrorist problem? Well for right now Im thinking about how to prevent it from getting worse. Kinda like when you are in quick sand. First you stop moving/panicking so u stop sinking, then you look for a way out. However, a possibility would be meeting with terroist leaders, and attempting to negotiate with them. kinda like what Israel is trying to do with the Palestinians.

[Coleman]

meeting with the terrorist leaders and negotiating? happy:

[tomxtr]

Originally Posted by Coleman

meeting with the terrorist leaders and negotiating? happy:

My sentiments, exactly. I don't think Israel is negotiating with the leaders of Hamas and other terror organizations.

[c312]

Originally Posted by Trunks

alright so what do you two purpose then? Obviously, we must retaliate, i mean fuck trying to comprehend your enemy, lets just kill the "mofo." Thats what you want right? And then, we can exterminate all the other islamic nations, ya know, just to make sure. Cuz all those "crazy mofos" might try something like that again, so lets just kill em all! Huh? Huh? And if the muslims in America dont like it, we can accuse them of terrorism and send them to prison. Is taht what you want? Is that the kind of retaliation you are calling for? Because that my friend, goes beyond the realm of retaliation, and into what I like to call extermination. Big difference between the two.

You are lumping two different categories into one. I never said anything about muslims, I was talking about terrorists. Most muslims try to point out that Osama is an extremist whose beleifs are not those of the Muslim religion. I would agree. I think we need to deal directly with the terrorists, not Muslims. If they coincide, fine, but Muslims aren't all terrorists. I never said anything about doing anything to Muslims, just terrorists, you lumped them together on your own.