[Recycled Spooge]

First thing I would do would be putting sometype Chechnyan delegates in the Kremlin, along with all the other minorities in the Russian Federation. Then they might be able to come to a compromise without having to split from the federation. Just my thoughts... I was just making a reference to the American Revolution and the whole parliament issue at that time.

Originally Posted by pest

Terrorism is the last resort of radicals that dont have enough support to do things the right way. Its Cowardice. If they really were brave, why dont they take on the russian military? If they were going to die for their cause anyway, why take civilians with them, why not show true dedication and strike a valid target. Now the world sympathizes with russia and isnt interested in the reasons. Instead of gaining support they lose credibility. Rightfully so in my opinion.

Thats exactly what the Chechnyans have been doing. Fighting the Russian Military. But do we know anything about it? No. As long as the Russians control Chechnya no one will know. However I still do not agree with terrorism. They should have blown up a military base filled with soldiers but they didnt. AS long as its a military target thats fine with me but never ever civilians.

[zverushka]

[quote:b6cbf]Right on my Russian brother !! Perhaps you and I should talk world ideas over a brew......how 'bout it.[/quote:b6cbf]

I could go for a brew.

[pest]

Originally Posted by zxcvnm

Thats exactly what the Chechnyans have been doing. Fighting the Russian Military. But do we know anything about it? No. As long as the Russians control Chechnya no one will know. However I still do not agree with terrorism. They should have blown up a military base filled with soldiers but they didnt. AS long as its a military target thats fine with me but never ever civilians.

I have read up a little on the situation but dont really have a full understanding on the background for this. Whatever the real problem is, they have lost any chance of maintaining the moral high ground by intentioanly targeting civilians for mass murder. In a stategic sense, they have made a huge mistake, in that this will only strenghten russian resolve and has highlighted a connection to external radical elements.

[quote="Recycled Spooge":efa27]First thing I would do would be putting sometype Chechnyan delegates in the Kremlin, along with all the other minorities in the Russian Federation. Then they might be able to come to a compromise without having to split from the federation. Just my thoughts... I was just making a reference to the American Revolution and the whole parliament issue at that time.[/quote:efa27]

I think that would be a bad idea, when one terrorist gets away with their demands, others get bold and follow.

If the Russians let this pass without severe retaliation, we can expect a similar Al Quaeda attack here in the US. the US being an open society and all it is quite easy to acquire weapons here and the police generally don't question people who are supposedly doing their job (the Chechens disguised themselves as maintenance staff moving construction equipment, which was actually crates of bombs and guns)

[Totenkopf]

I was thinking about this whole situation last night as I was at the local bar playing pool and getting drunk. Yeah, there weren't any cute chicks around. Anyway, there are some interesting cultural and socialogical factors that need to be looked at when talking about terrorism, and war in general. If you look back on history, you will see that many cultures looked on the killing of women and children as a fact of war. Native American tribes killed them, the Mongols wiped out entire cities despite there being women and children, the Vikings, and not so long ago, it was an accepted fact that civilians were going to be killed. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Dresden, the bombing of London, carpet bombing in Cambodia and Vietnam, etc.

When did it become such a deplorable act to kill civilians? Surely, the Western socities did not care very much about it just 50 years ago. This can be seen by the examples above. Or perhaps we only care when they are "our" civilians.

Now think about this. Say you are raised in a culture, where the killing of women and children is a fact of war, for some even a means to win a war. This is what you have been taught your entire life. Through your perceptions, strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing up a bus is in fact an act of bravery. To us it is an act of cowardice because we have been raised so. When two opposing cultures and/or societies clash, there are really no "rules of war". These things have to be understood when we begin opposing different cultures.

Just some more food for thought.

[Low spark]

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

I was thinking about this whole situation last night as I was at the local bar playing pool and getting drunk. Yeah, there weren't any cute chicks around. Anyway, there are some interesting cultural and socialogical factors that need to be looked at when talking about terrorism, and war in general. If you look back on history, you will see that many cultures looked on the killing of women and children as a fact of war. Native American tribes killed them, the Mongols wiped out entire cities despite there being women and children, the Vikings, and not so long ago, it was an accepted fact that civilians were going to be killed. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Dresden, the bombing of London, carpet bombing in Cambodia and Vietnam, etc.

When did it become such a deplorable act to kill civilians? Surely, the Western socities did not care very much about it just 50 years ago. This can be seen by the examples above. Or perhaps we only care when they are "our" civilians.

Now think about this. Say you are raised in a culture, where the killing of women and children is a fact of war, for some even a means to win a war. This is what you have been taught your entire life. Through your perceptions, strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing up a bus is in fact an act of bravery. To us it is an act of cowardice because we have been raised so. When two opposing cultures and/or societies clash, there are really no "rules of war". These things have to be understood when we begin opposing different cultures.

Just some more food for thought.

Very well said.

So if these bastards can kill our women and children the why should the US and Russia be civilized toward Chechneya and Afghanistan.
Leave them to the BUFFs and the Bears (B-52s and TU-95s), then let God sort them out.

[Low spark]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":f04ab]So if these bastards can kill our women and children the why should the US and Russia be civilized toward Chechneya and Afghanistan.
Leave them to the BUFFs and the Bears (B-52s and TU-95s), then let God sort them out.[/quote:f04ab]


Because we should be better than that . We should show that we value human life above a else. We should show that by working together we can work any problem. We don't need lines like "Either your with or against us."

What you're suggesting is like trying to talk with a murderer while he is plugging holes in you with an automatic weapon, extremely dumb idea, we'll only lose more of OUR people that way. Friendly casualties are unacceptable!

[Low spark]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":54b13]What you're suggesting is like trying to talk with a murderer while he is plugging holes in you with an automatic weapon, extremely dumb idea, we'll only lose more of OUR people that way. Friendly casualties are unacceptable![/quote:54b13]
No I'm not saying any such thing. I'm say I am tired of the mentlity of people.

KILL THE FUCKER FOR THIS. THEY DID THAT LETS KILL THEM, BOMB ASSHOLES TO THE STONE AGE. THERE WRONG SO THERE WORHTLESS AS HUMAN BIENGS, THE CUNTS

I am tired of the a world where the 'leader' act like big spoiled children who take no long term responsabilty for the actions. This is one world if our leaders really cared they would find ways to accomplish their goals without violence and hate, And just mabye we can make a better world for all, and what's a terrorist going to do in a world where everyone is happy.
Sorry about the abusive language.

ENJOY