[General Tso]

...it could be worse: Evidently, the Wehrmacht liked to put scopes (standard and infrared) on the StG 44...

[url:a64cd]http://www.geocities.com/pizzatest/panzerfaust7.htm#stgw44[/url:a64cd]

fire2:

Can you imagine the whining?

[M@D CHILD]

lol, and if anyone did that in mohaa imagine the names they would ge called, i won't say any of them on here it might just get me a ban from the forums.

[Sniper Wolf [USAR]]

i would view the site but its not up, but yes i would hate the scopes on them. But you gotta admit, moh did TWEAK the Stg just a lil to far out. I mean its not that accurate and powerful like it is. I mean you shot to the head across an entire map kills you, and I can barely even do that with my sniper rifle sometimes lol. I know its a powerful gun, but i also know its not so accurate and powerful with 1 shot u can kill someone way the heck at the other end of a map lol.

[quote="General Tso":044ee]...it could be worse: Evidently, the Wehrmacht liked to put scopes (standard and infrared) on the StG 44...

[url:044ee]http://www.geocities.com/pizzatest/panzerfaust7.htm#stgw44[/url:044ee]

fire2:

Can you imagine the whining?[/quote:044ee]

that infra-red scope sound like BS

If the Germans developed this then both teh US and the USSR would have copied it earlier, just as they borrowed from the V-2 and the swept wing of the Me-262.
The first US night scope was developed by Vietnam, so I guess either the Germans lied or they did a good job destroying all traces of this scope so that neither the Americans nor the Russians copied them by the Korean War.

[General Tso]

"The Sturmgewehr 44 could also be fitted with ZF 1229 Vampir, an infra-red night sighting device. The scope for the Vampir mounted onto the StGw 44 weighed 2.3kg, the support devices were carried in a rucksack and weighed 13kg. 310 of these night-fighting scopes were produced at the company Leitz."

Interesting, but not enough of them were produced to make a difference.

It would be hellacious on Snowy Park with one of those scopes... evil:

[quote="General Tso":f5958]"The Sturmgewehr 44 could also be fitted with ZF 1229 Vampir, an infra-red night sighting device. The scope for the Vampir mounted onto the StGw 44 weighed 2.3kg, the support devices were carried in a rucksack and weighed 13kg. 310 of these night-fighting scopes were produced at the company Leitz."

Interesting, but not enough of them were produced to make a difference.

It would be hellacious on Snowy Park with one of those scopes... evil:[/quote:f5958]

if there was one it was probably crap like the early Us scopes in 'Nam.
(ie only good to about 100 yards)

[[NBK] G.I. Jerk]

I get quite frustrated being wasted by the STG. In close quarters it rocks over the BAR and seems to have a slight edge over the Thompson. For long range give me the BAR anyday.

I can't complain about it however because when I play german (rarely) it's my first choice in weapon.

[Pyro]

Sniper is a cool weapon

STG are for n00bs

[¤[4thPHiL]¤ Machalnik]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":ee2fe]
The first US night scope was developed by Vietnam, so I guess either the Germans lied or they did a good job destroying all traces of this scope so that neither the Americans nor the Russians copied them by the Korean War.[/quote:ee2fe]

To be more accurate.. The US did develop and field an infra-red "night scope" during WW2. Designated the "T3" and the later "M3" infra-red sighting devices. The M3 model was the design that would find use in Korea (again in limited numbers).
[url:ee2fe]http://www.ugca.org/ugca0101/ugca0101main.htm[/url:ee2fe] you'll find a photo of each mounted to M1 Carbines about half way down the page. The caption list the range at "about 135 yards". I think they we're most commonly used by paratrooper commando units, tho there use was very limited.

It's german counterpart.. ZG 1229 "Vampir Nachtjaeger" was a "portable" (and I use that term loosely) version of the infra-red devices that were deployed on a limited number of "Night Panther" tanks and "Uhu" observation vehicles. These also found only limited use.
[url:ee2fe]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/ir.htm[/url:ee2fe]

Now these scopes were not the same "night vision" as is in use today, rather they consisted of an infra-red illumination beam that would light the target with infra-red light. The shooter then could see the lighted target through the coupled infra-red spectrum scope. "Starlight" night vision, the method of collecting all available light and amplifying it to a useful amount (the technology used in modern night vision) was not really in use until Nam... but there were infra-red night vision devices in limited use in WW2 and Korea.

[[NBK] G.I. Jerk]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Sniper is a cool weapon

STG are for n00bs

Sniper rifles are for people with:

1) bad stafing skills
2) bad eyesight (hence zoom)
3) bad aim (I've seen zoom used from 15 feet away in the OPEN.... gimme a break)
4) bad breath (they are afaid to get close to you)

:P

[Zoner]

I can't BELIEVE this topic has come up again!!! mad:

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[quote="¤[4thPHiL]¤ Machalnik":f638e][quote="Sgt Stryker":f638e]
The first US night scope was developed by Vietnam, so I guess either the Germans lied or they did a good job destroying all traces of this scope so that neither the Americans nor the Russians copied them by the Korean War.[/quote:f638e]

To be more accurate.. The US did develop and field an infra-red "night scope" during WW2. Designated the "T3" and the later "M3" infra-red sighting devices. The M3 model was the design that would find use in Korea (again in limited numbers).
[url:f638e]http://www.ugca.org/ugca0101/ugca0101main.htm[/url:f638e] you'll find a photo of each mounted to M1 Carbines about half way down the page. The caption list the range at "about 135 yards". I think they we're most commonly used by paratrooper commando units, tho there use was very limited.

It's german counterpart.. ZG 1229 "Vampir Nachtjaeger" was a "portable" (and I use that term loosely) version of the infra-red devices that were deployed on a limited number of "Night Panther" tanks and "Uhu" observation vehicles. These also found only limited use.
[url:f638e]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/ir.htm[/url:f638e]

Now these scopes were not the same "night vision" as is in use today, rather they consisted of an infra-red illumination beam that would light the target with infra-red light. The shooter then could see the lighted target through the coupled infra-red spectrum scope. "Starlight" night vision, the method of collecting all available light and amplifying it to a useful amount (the technology used in modern night vision) was not really in use until Nam... but there were infra-red night vision devices in limited use in WW2 and Korea.[/quote:f638e]

I wouldn't want to be stuck with one of those scopes, the lead-acid battery must have weighed a ton, like on the early "portable" radios.