What do you guys think.... - Page 2

MrLevinstein · 05-08-2003, 02:18 PM

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":a7d7b]What duke of ray said[/quote:a7d7b]

That's exactly why I don't believe in religion, I don't want my beliefs dictated to me and if i don't believe the same I don't want to be told that I am a pagean and am going to hell. The Roman catholic church has proved to be liars in the past and thats just something I don't want to be a part of. And I don't want bible thumpers coming to my house to "save me" from eternal damnation. When god talks to me I'll believe in religion until then its just eternal nothingness with the ocasional pnaenomina that scares the crap out of me*

*See gerard's story

SoLiDUS · 05-08-2003, 02:20 PM

I never understood how supposedly intelligent people could believe in such
an obvious lie as "Heaven and Hell": I find it unfathomable that a supreme
being capable of creating and encompassing physical reality would "reward"
some of his creatures for "good behavior" (what is that?) and banish others
to an eternity of suffering based on actions commited on Earth; keep in mind
that for a big period of your life, you are "taught" how to act, react, et cetera...

I could have a field day with this one, but suffice to say that on top of having
been written by men seeking to enthrall the populace of the time, heaven and
hell were created to keep people in line; controlled. So were the ten "rules":
only one is necessary and it is the golden rule: do unto others what you would
like done unto you, and conversely, do not do to others what you wouldn't want
done to yourself. Simple rule, happens to work in most cases.

If a supraintelligent entity is behind the creation of our world, you can bet
that reincarnation is involved, development of intellect is prime and finally,
Heaven and Hell would not be found on other planes of consciousness: you
are living in both right now. Earth can be both...

Duke_of_Ray · 05-08-2003, 04:44 PM

[quote:aeff7]ok thats just weird, man if you wanna teach us then just Shut the Fuck up.[/quote:aeff7]
Why, I am just trying to help you out by pointing the way.

[quote:aeff7]I never understood how supposedly intelligent people could believe in such
an obvious lie as "Heaven and Hell": I find it unfathomable that a supreme
being capable of creating and encompassing physical reality would "reward"
some of his creatures for "good behavior" (what is that?) and banish others
to an eternity of suffering based on actions commited on Earth; keep in mind
that for a big period of your life, you are "taught" how to act, react, et cetera...
[/quote:aeff7]

The only act that determines where you go is whether or not you accpet Jesus, if you accept Him, your actions will be good.

[quote:aeff7]That's exactly why I don't believe in religion, I don't want my beliefs dictated to me and if i don't believe the same I don't want to be told that I am a pagean and am going to hell. The Roman catholic church has proved to be liars in the past and thats just something I don't want to be a part of. And I don't want bible thumpers coming to my house to "save me" from eternal damnation. When god talks to me I'll believe in religion until then its just eternal nothingness with the ocasional pnaenomina that scares the crap out of me*
[/quote:aeff7]

Well, as long as you believe in Jesus, and accept Him you will be fine. You might say, your shoving your belief down my throat, but I am not, I am trying to hel you out. You may not believe exactly how the Chrucrh you go to does, thats no big deal, the main thing is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes the ROman Catholic Chruch has done many bad things, but if you really want to see the true face of God, read the Bible and go to a good Christian chruch, not saying catholics are not Christians, but I would say its best to go to a Chruch that is not as big on traditons and works, but one that teaches the Bible and does work out of the good of their heart, not so they will get you to heaven. Works will not get you to heaven, only accepting Jesus. It does not matter whether or not you get baptized, although its good to, and as for the people of the other religions, well if they have rejected Jesus, then the will be going to hell, but for those who have never heard, then I believe God judges them justly.If you ever have any questions just PM me, and Ill do my best to awnser.

SoLiDUS · 05-08-2003, 04:48 PM

No thank you, Duke_of_Ray: I prefer staying away from indoctrination, as I
am sure you can understand...

MrLevinstein · 05-08-2003, 05:13 PM

omg duke of ray you have helped me see the light thanks email me

OneofGodsFallowers@hotmail.com

oOo:

Unknown_Sniper · 05-08-2003, 05:46 PM

when you die, you return to the most pure state of energy. I dont know what it is lol. Just remember no energy is gained or lost in the universe, it is simple collect then dispersed. The same goes for people. We are born, live, then die. After death.....no one knows. I believe......you just die.

Duke_of_Ray · 05-08-2003, 05:51 PM

I am not saying you have to live your life a certain way to be saved, but if you truly are, you will live a respectful life. See its not aboute pricipals or rules, so do not use those as an excuse, its about giving your life to God and beliving in Him. You might say you do not want to do that, but why? With God leading your life, and if you let His will be done, whats best will always happen. Now you will still have problems, and trails, but you will have God to help you. Is it really that much to ask of Him, I mean he died for us! WHy reject Him? Rejecting Him, is like being in a flood, about to drown, and when a boat comes by to save you you telling them you do not need any help, you can save yourself. When you doo try to save yourself, you drown, to bad you didnt ask for help. We are all sinners, but through Jesus we are redeemed, so aks Him for help, and to save you so that you will not drown, and go to Hell.

Old Reliable · 05-08-2003, 05:55 PM

[quote="[DAS REICH]Unknown_Sniper":e6487]when you die, you return to the most pure state of energy. I dont know what it is lol. Just remember no energy is gained or lost in the universe, it is simple collect then dispersed. The same goes for people. We are born, live, then die. After death.....no one knows. I believe......you just die.[/quote:e6487]

every one of us is made up of the 92 natural elements, the same elements that are the makeup of our sun. when we die, all of our elements are returned to the earth or space (heat)

Zap. USMC · 05-08-2003, 06:06 PM

Here is my outlook on religion:

I've been brought up on it and I have nothing but positive feedback from it.

It's like this... if you believe in a religion and there is a god, then you are going to Heaven. If there ISNT a god, then you're still ok. However, if you don't believe then you go to hell.

So basically, it's a win - win situation... angel:

05-08-2003, 06:09 PM

religion is a drug fed to the masses

MrLevinstein · 05-08-2003, 06:30 PM

No offense Zap, but I don't see a reason to spend time going to a place to worship someone that may or may not exist. Althought it is wierd that religion was found most of the continents despite man despersing much earlier. I would like to believe in a god but there just isn't much proof

Vance · 05-08-2003, 06:31 PM

Hahaha. Mike there is tons of proof. Well, for Christianity that is.

Old Reliable · 05-08-2003, 06:31 PM

um, actually there is no proof whatsoever of a higher being

SoLiDUS · 05-08-2003, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesnacki

No offense Zap, but I don't see a reason to spend time going to a place to worship someone that may or may not exist. Althought it is wierd that religion was found most of the continents despite man despersing much earlier. I would like to believe in a god but there just isn't much proof

Zap is referring to Pascal's wager, which states that you have nothing to lose
and should therefore take a chance and believe in God. The outcomes are as
follows:

If there is a God and you believe in his person, you will go to Heaven while
others who chose to refuse to acknowledge his existence will forever be in
Hell. On the other hand, if there isn't a God, no matter what your position,
you still lose nothing by believing in him. It is therefore safer to "believe" in
God ... but this is all according to the Christian belief system.

Vance · 05-08-2003, 06:45 PM

[quote="Old Reliable":1e46b]um, actually there is no proof whatsoever of a higher being[/quote:1e46b]
Ooooookay, sure.