[Rocket]

From what I read, "congressional analysts" have made recommendations to reduce the number "on the ground that the latest long-range anti-ship cruise missiles make them too vulnerable to attack." The Navy contends carriers are made to withstand these attacks.

The way I see it, Rumsfeld has entertained the idea. I also see that carriers are still the backbone, and there's no plan to go away from them.

[Low spark]

[quote=Rocket]

Originally Posted by "Low spark":1008e

I can't disagree with that.... lust for power, greed and arrogance and terrible things, but they are the things Bush excells at....

Show me some proof. Until I see that, rash statements like that are just pure rhetoric and that's what takes the teeth out of any anti-Bush debate.[/quote:1008e]

lust for power-
But there needs to be a focused, coalition effort in the region against peace.
-- discussing the Middle East, Crawford, TX, March 30, 2002

A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it.
-- Washington, DC, July 26, 2001, commenting on negotiating with Congress



arrogance-
I'm the person who gets to decide, not you.
-- reacting to a reporter's statement in the lead-in to his question that "we're headed to war in Iraq," Crawford, TX, December 31, 2002

I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.
-- interviewed by Bob Woodward, Crawford, TX, August 20, 2002


greed
We need an energy bill that encourages consumption.
-- Trenton, NJ, September 23, 2002

This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base.
-- Al Smith Memorial Dinner, New York, NY, October 19, 2000

All of us here in America should believe, and I think we do, that we should be, as I mentioned, a nation of owners. Owning something is freedom, as far as I'm concerned. It's part of a free society... It's a part of -- it's of being a -- it's a part of -- an important part of America.
-- Washington, D.C., October 15, 2002




Finally
You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.
-- Washington, DC March 31, 2001

[Totenkopf]

[quote="Low spark":2a3b8][quote=Rocket]

Originally Posted by "Low spark":2a3b8

I can't disagree with that.... lust for power, greed and arrogance and terrible things, but they are the things Bush excells at....

Show me some proof. Until I see that, rash statements like that are just pure rhetoric and that's what takes the teeth out of any anti-Bush debate.[/quote:2a3b8]

lust for power-
But there needs to be a focused, coalition effort in the region against peace.
-- discussing the Middle East, Crawford, TX, March 30, 2002

A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it.
-- Washington, DC, July 26, 2001, commenting on negotiating with Congress



arrogance-
I'm the person who gets to decide, not you.
-- reacting to a reporter's statement in the lead-in to his question that "we're headed to war in Iraq," Crawford, TX, December 31, 2002

I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.
-- interviewed by Bob Woodward, Crawford, TX, August 20, 2002


greed
We need an energy bill that encourages consumption.
-- Trenton, NJ, September 23, 2002

This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base.
-- Al Smith Memorial Dinner, New York, NY, October 19, 2000

All of us here in America should believe, and I think we do, that we should be, as I mentioned, a nation of owners. Owning something is freedom, as far as I'm concerned. It's part of a free society... It's a part of -- it's of being a -- it's a part of -- an important part of America.
-- Washington, D.C., October 15, 2002




Finally
You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.
-- Washington, DC March 31, 2001[/quote:2a3b8]


Boo Yaa.....The Dark Lord is upon us!!!!

[Pfc.Green]

hmmm... Those dont really bother me at all, considering you could'nt find a president/king/prime minister/ruler who has'nt said things to the effect of those statements.

[Low spark]

[quote="Pfc.Green":363b1]hmmm... Those dont really bother me at all, considering you could'nt find a president/king/prime minister/ruler who has'nt said things to the effect of those statements.[/quote:363b1]

Ok Green with the execption of Reagan, show me another modern day (lets say Teddy Roosevelt to present) President that made those kind of statements....

[Pfc.Green]

I cant name specific public qoutes but you cannot say that world leaders dont say these things all the time. Plus these statements dont mean jack shit.

you think this means lust for power??

A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it.
-- Washington, DC, July 26, 2001, commenting on negotiating with Congress

I dont think so, of course a dictatorship would be easier you answer to no one, Bush was says how it is harder when you are accountable to others.

this one was just a screw up in wording that you jumped on.

But there needs to be a focused, coalition effort in the region against peace.
-- discussing the Middle East, Crawford, TX, March 30, 2002

Personally I would take Bush over say clinton any day, I'd rather have a president that says stupid things sometimes and is'nt afraid to stand up to people, than a president is immoral and a pussy.

[Pfc.Green]

Heres a couple clinton ones,

"Any president that lies to the American people should have to resign."

- Bill Clinton

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
Americans ..."

- Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

"Yes, the president should resign. He has lied to the American people, time and time again, and betrayed their trust.
Since he has admitted guilt, there is no reason to put the American people through an impeachment. He will serve
absolutely no purpose in finishing out his term the only possible solution is for the president to save some dignity and
resign."

- 12th Congressional District Hopeful William Jefferson Clinton during the Nixon investigations.

[Low spark]

[quote="Pfc.Green":5900c]I cant name specific public qoutes but you cannot say that world leaders dont say these things all the time. Plus these statements dont mean jack shit.

you think this means lust for power??

A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it.
-- Washington, DC, July 26, 2001, commenting on negotiating with Congress

I dont think so, of course a dictatorship would be easier you answer to no one, Bush was says how it is harder when you are accountable to others.

this one was just a screw up in wording that you jumped on.

But there needs to be a focused, coalition effort in the region against peace.
-- discussing the Middle East, Crawford, TX, March 30, 2002

Personally I would take Bush over say clinton any day, I'd rather have a president that says stupid things sometimes and is'nt afraid to stand up to people, than a president is immoral and a pussy.[/quote:5900c]



I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.
-- Saginaw, MI, September 29, 2000

[Rocket]

[quote="Low spark":5094a]
lust for power-
But there needs to be a focused, coalition effort in the region against peace.
-- discussing the Middle East, Crawford, TX, March 30, 2002
[/quote:5094a]
"WHEN REPORTERS asked George W. Bush about the solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict on Monday, he sputtered: "There needs to be a focused coalition effort in the region against peace--I mean, against terror, for peace.""

Out of context I think. You're not helping your argument by taking him out of context, especially on your first example.


[quote="Low spark":5094a]
A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it.
-- Washington, DC, July 26, 2001, commenting on negotiating with Congress
[/quote:5094a]

Bad statement, I agree. That's why it's a three headed system, right? So no one branch can take over. He's hardly serious in this statement, however.

[quote="Low spark":5094a]
arrogance-
I'm the person who gets to decide, not you.
-- reacting to a reporter's statement in the lead-in to his question that "we're headed to war in Iraq," Crawford, TX, December 31, 2002
[/quote:5094a]

"You say we're headed to war in Iraq. I don't know why you suggested that," the president said. "I'm the person who gets to decide, not you." Mr. Bush said his point was that war can be avoided if Saddam complies with the U.N. mandate and that there has been no final U.S. decision to go to war."

He's the President. He gets to decide. That's how it works.

[quote="Low spark":5094a]
I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.
-- interviewed by Bob Woodward, Crawford, TX, August 20, 2002
[/quote:5094a]

See above.

[quote="Low spark":5094a]
greed
We need an energy bill that encourages consumption.
-- Trenton, NJ, September 23, 2002
[/quote:5094a]

In May 2001 the Bush Administration released the National Energy Policy (NEP), a comprehensive set of legislative and administrative proposals designed to guarantee the United States' energy security for the 21st century.

The NEP addresses five key areas that have been neglected for too long:

1. Increase conservation
2. Modernize and expand our aging energy infrastructure
3. Diversify energy supplies
4. Improve and accelerate environmental protection
5. Strengthen America's energy security.

Wow, how greedy is that?

[quote="Low spark":5094a]
This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base.
-- Al Smith Memorial Dinner, New York, NY, October 19, 2000
[/quote:5094a]

This is from a humorous speech intended to get a laugh. It was a fund raiser that Al Gore even showed up to.

Originally Posted by "Low spark":5094a

All of us here in America should believe, and I think we do, that we should be, as I mentioned, a nation of owners. Owning something is freedom, as far as I'm concerned. It's part of a free society... It's a part of -- it's of being a -- it's a part of -- an important part of America.
-- Washington, D.C., October 15, 2002
[/quote:5094a]

All of us here in America should believe, and I think we do, that we should be, as I mentioned, a nation of owners. Owning something is freedom, as far as I'm concerned. It's part of a free society. And ownership of a home helps bring stability to neighborhoods. You own your home in a neighborhood, you have more interest in how your neighborhood feels, looks, whether it's safe or not. It brings pride to people, it's a part of an asset-based to society. It helps people build up their own individual portfolio, provides an opportunity, if need be, for a mom or a dad to leave something to their child. It's a part of -- it's of being a -- it's a part of -- an important part of America.

Encouraging pride and self-worth. And that is bad how...?



Finally
You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.
-- Washington, DC March 31, 2001

This is paraphrased from Abraham Lincoln's original quote, generally considered one of the greatest presidents ever.

I think the lesson here is this: If you want to make a sound byte library you can make anyone sound terrible. I suggest actually reading the policies and trying to understand the context in which statements are made. This is the #1 reason I used to be behind the Democrats but lean more to the Republican side.

[Low spark]

Believe me, I do read his policies and listen to his statements.

There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again.
-- East Literature Magnet School, Nashville, Tennessee, September 17, 2002.

And I'm sorry but i beleive these bytes show more truth than lies about Mr. Bush...

ENJOY

and that is the exact speech i have a video of it :P

[Rocket]

[quote="Low spark":794fb]Believe me, I do read his policies and listen to his statements.

There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again.
-- East Literature Magnet School, Nashville, Tennessee, September 17, 2002.

And I'm sorry but i beleive these bytes show more truth than lies about Mr. Bush...

ENJOY[/quote:794fb]

Well, it's taking them out of context that has the thorn in my side. What if I were to say this about you...

"Hey, guess what, Low spark is a major Bush supporter, I heard him say this:"

[quote="Low spark":794fb]
'Believe me, I do read his policies and listen to his statements...And I'm sorry but i beleive these bytes...'[/quote:794fb]

Kind of puts words in your mouth, doesn't it?

[Low spark]

[quote=Rocket]

Originally Posted by "Low spark":95f90

Believe me, I do read his policies and listen to his statements.

There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again.
-- East Literature Magnet School, Nashville, Tennessee, September 17, 2002.

And I'm sorry but i beleive these bytes show more truth than lies about Mr. Bush...

ENJOY

Well, it's taking them out of context that has the thorn in my side. What if I were to say this about you...

"Hey, guess what, Low spark is a major Bush supporter, I heard him say this:"

[quote="Low spark":95f90]
'Believe me, I do read his policies and listen to his statements...And I'm sorry but i beleive these bytes...'[/quote:95f90]

Kind of puts words in your mouth, doesn't it?[/quote:95f90]

I'd say good job. I like it. Because the quote is true. I do support Bush, I think he handled the events immediatly after 9/11 very well. But I also think he is a power hungry arrogant jerk. If he was half of the president his father was I probably wouldn't have too many problems with him. Bush has some big tests ahead, Iraq, North Korea , the economy, the environment, the war on terror(homeland defense),. From what I've seen and read so far I would score him very low on all of these.
But then who care what I think, I know Bush does not care, I mean he is the President, and I'm just a lowly American citizen.

I'm the person who gets to decide, not you.
-- reacting to a reporter's statement in the lead-in to his question that "we're headed to war in Iraq," Crawford, TX, December 31, 2002

[Rocket]

Hey, thanks for remaining reasonable through this debate, I appreciate that. It makes it easier to respect your opinion.

[Slain]

I would rather be drafted back by GWB, than Bill Clinton. The military supports him, good enough for me.