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I support piracy cause there cheaper.

[pest]

How does the article have any relation to pc games or piracy?

I have said it before and I will say it again - Ed, you are an idiot.

[Rev Aristotle Jones]

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You read that Komrades! When you rip it makes you no better than a filthy commie. Can you live with that? I know I can biggrin:

when did the soviets get so sun burnt?

[Bazooka_Joe]

[quote="The ED! Foundation":0e436][url=http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2909760,00.html:0e436]Gamespot[/url:0e436] has an article which basically bucks the trend (much like what happened to the music industry and it's fear of "file sharing") that PIRACY is significantly affecting video game sales, and the health of the industry. It's obvious that the industry couldn't be any healthier, thanks in part to console sales (again this is JUST for console's, although it is just as easy to pirate these games as it is to pirate PC games).

This isn't suprising considering that the PS2 accounts for more than HALF of SONY's annual revenue. Seriously.

No.

Fucking.

Joke.[/quote:0e436]

We knew this for years now. The reason that software prices are astronomical is because of warez. They said that if warez didn't exist, game & software prices would be anywhere between 45-60% lower than they are now.

[The ED! Foundation]

Originally Posted by pest

How does the article have any relation to pc games or piracy?

I have said it before and I will say it again - Ed, you are an idiot.

I'm the chuckle-head, but YOU'RE the only one who isn't able to draw any comparison between the article and the UNSTATED issue of console piracy.

Nevermind this little bit of typing I put in...

[quote:ea7f4]It's obvious that the industry couldn't be any healthier, thanks in part to console sales (again this is JUST for console's, although it is just as easy to pirate these games as it is to pirate PC games).[/quote:ea7f4]

But then again PEST, not reading something does give you something to bitch about, and what would you do if you couldn't bitch.

Have sex with wife, play with kids (god I hope not), read a book, live your life. Yea - totally not the same as bitching.

[quote:ea7f4]We knew this for years now. The reason that software prices are astronomical is because of warez. They said that if warez didn't exist, game & software prices would be anywhere between 45-60% lower than they are now.[/quote:ea7f4]

Where the hell are you getting this from? I have YET to see a comprehensive report that can CLEARLY create a link between software piracy of any kind and a RISE in costs. What is the TRUTH is that most of these "loss" reports are based on models where ACTUAL sales are not taken into account but POTENTIAL sales are. POTENTIAL is another fancy word for "maybe this Taiwan boy whos family makes 100 dollars a year is gonna buy MOH for 50 bucks". MAYBE. I'm sure you have lost HUNDREDS of POTENTIAL POON, but...cmon..lets get real here.

The "threat" of software piracy has created a GREAT marketing and price increase tool for companies to justify new security measures and price hikes to the public.

Smoke and mirrors.

As I said, the industry is doing SOOOO bad, that they have had a record year in total sales.

[Chango]

you have your other name back right? so why are you posting with this one still?

[pest]

Ed - I said what I did because your conclusions had absolutely no connect with the article you provided as "proof". I am not saying your conclusions are wrong, but they are still different from mine. A 15% increase in profits after the release of multiple completely new gaming systems isnt exactly raping, plundering and pillaging. That is most likely an average increase, and contrary to your opinion, they should be allowed to make a profit. Console games are just as easy to pirate as pc games, but most likely done less than pc games because of a younger. less computer savy audience and the fact that a pc is not a prerequisite for console games.

Another flaw in your conclusion - an increase in profits does not = piracy doesnt have a significant impact on sales. If pirating was completely eliminated, I bet (pure speculation) that for every ten copies of a game pirated now, 3 or 4 would actually be purchased. That is significant. Anyone that has ever downloaded games knows that you will dl damn near anything if it is free, you get much more selective if you have to pay. On the flip side of that, if you didnt get anything you didnt pay for, you would definately have to buy more if you wanted to continue to play.

These are just my opinions and are probably wrong, but at least I didnt give you a link to a story about woodchucks and offer it as validation.

[The ED! Foundation]

Youre arguing for the sake of arguing. Do you honestly think that the "industry" is going to release a story "Software Piracy ISNT hurting us; sale on the rise!"?. Honestly.

That being the case, i made a connection between two topics that aren't as apples and oranges as you seem intent on making it seem. Like I said, it would appear you are the ONLY one who has a problem with what I'm discussing going hand and hand.

In your OWN reply you make the statement that there is LIKELY a connection between piracy and unit sales; yet you seem to think that because I believe the opposite (not that there INS'T a connection, but that it doesn't bear as marked an influence on games as much as industry execs would have u think), my opinion is ludicrous and wholly unrelatable.

Right.

[quote:e3041] you have your other name back right? so why are you posting with this one still? [/quote:e3041]

Because I'm at work and it takes as much time to log out/log in as it does to JUST get into the damn site.

[Rev Aristotle Jones]

If piracy/warez were eliminated the prices of games, CDs, mail order brides, whatever, would not go down one cent.

I can remember a time before Napster, before peer-to-peer, before the internet got binary, when games consoles first came out and I can tell you that the relative cost of games was the same then, if not higher than it is now.

It is obvious that piracy and "sharing" hurts the industries, but considering the amount of time that they have been fisting the consumer it could be considered as a little bit of corporate karma.

[cameltoe]

if it wasnt for pirating i wouldnt have half the games i do

[pest]

I read the title of the thread thinking that there would be some information about piracy. Instead I got a sales report with completely unrelated speculation. At best, your logic is flawed.

[quote:678d6]maybe this Taiwan boy whos family makes 100 dollars a year is gonna buy MOH for 50 bucks[/quote:678d6]

Thats why I support piracy. The game industry is making billions even with piracy on a rampage, and only well off people can buy real games. Thats why people in less well off classes should also have the opportunity to play them without spending half their damn income.

[Innoxx]

Yeah, I support piracy. Hell, I have bills to pay! I'm not gonna be spending 70 bucks on a game that I find to be shitty, I'd rather pay my power bill. If a game is good enough I will buy it, but most games that are being churned out are very half-assed.