Looks cool Shifty. A bit of advice from me because I am seeing this problem with fps with other maps. Keep it to a minimum. It looks like it's a good size... not to big. The bigger the worse it seemes to get even with good vis leaf groups and detail brushes. I like the concept. Good luck. I wanna get some of us mappers together and take our custom maps and put it on a map rotation on a server. That would be a blast. fire1: oOo: