Allies' weapons better than Axis'?

jonesy-the-cat · 01-07-2002, 06:33 AM

Okay, unless I missed something (which is possible since I haven't really analysed this game), the German rifle is pathetic compared to the American rifle. Single-shot reload, compared to 7 rapid shots for the M1. Also, the German bazooka has horrible visibility compared to the American bazooka. Does it slow you down more too? And sometimes it seems that the other American weapons tend to hit more easily than their German counterparts, e.g. the machine gun. When I mentioned this in a game, someone replied that it's realistic. Is this all in the name of realism? My response was that this game is far from realistic, and that some things need to be less realistic to be more fun (it is a GAME afterall).

Does anyone have the lowdown on the weapons? Or at least observations?

HedgeHog · 01-07-2002, 06:35 AM

Ive used all weps alot, and it seems to me that you cant see with german zook obviosly, and the german rifle just plain sucks. Besides that, Im fairly certain theyre all relatively the same, except maybe the bar hits harder? The german mg has more ammo, by 12 shots.. thats quite a few. I havnt really tested the german mg too much. The smgs are identicle in my beleif.

Ramza · 01-07-2002, 06:37 AM

Okay, first of all the Mauser is intended to be a single shot weapon. That's what it's design specs were. America was the first country to have a successful semi-automatic rifle, so yes they have the advantage in this respect. Doesn't make the Mauser worthless without a scope, as it still fires a 7.62mm round and is very accurate. The MP-40 has quite a bit of kick, since it's such a lightweight weapon, nonetheless it is still a useful weapon. I prefer it over the thompson, but the tommy gun is a bit heavier and thus it won't jump around in your hands as much.

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JOkeR · 01-07-2002, 06:50 AM

The weapons are pretty much balanced. Like the saying goes, a weapon is only good as it's handler. Or something like that

intrestedviewer · 01-07-2002, 07:03 AM

personally i like the scoped mauser over the sprigfield but i like the thompson better than the mp40 and i like the colt over the whalter and i prefer the stg 44 over the BAR, its combined power

3/504th-Cpt.Knight · 01-07-2002, 07:26 AM

I like the KAR98. I think its much more accurate than the Garand. I've picked people off many of time with it at long range. I wish it had a bayonet though.

Ramza · 01-07-2002, 07:38 AM

Mauser is mucho fun.

I do agree, a bayonet like in DOD would be fun, or at the very least, a melee combat option.

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FuBarGrn · 01-07-2002, 07:44 AM

well...first off the Garand Vs. The Kar98...the Kar98 has A TON more Punch than the garand,BUT the garand has a better cyclic rate.
second..the MP-40 vs. the Thompson....
the thompson has the punch,the Mp-4o has the cyclic rate.
third the BAR vs. the StG44....
the StG44 has VASTLY superior punch at a longer range...the BAR has better punch at close-range...and the StG44's 30rds are better taht the BAR's 20....
finally....the zooks...I hate 'em...never use 'em...but the panzershrek seems to lose this one because of the limited visibility....

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W. Voss · 01-07-2002, 07:50 AM

I actually prefer the Kar98 to the garand, I think the weapons are balanced in the demo. (Just my opinion).

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Arclight · 01-07-2002, 07:52 AM

In the SP Demo Allies side, why do they refer to the "bazooka" with a German name?

Howler · 01-07-2002, 08:14 AM

In reference to the lack of a bayonet for the Kar98 - am I crazy, or do the Germans in the single player demo occasionally smash you over the head with the butt of their rifle?

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Hans · 01-07-2002, 08:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arclight:
In the SP Demo Allies side, why do they refer to the "bazooka" with a German name?

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Because that isn't a Bazooka, it's a Panzer-Schreck, a German rocket launcher.

8827Echo · 01-07-2002, 08:21 AM

Arclight, the weapon that you pick up is actually a German Panzerschrek, not the American Bazooka, that's why the called it a Panzerschrek (since it is).

KrautKiller16 · 01-07-2002, 08:34 AM

Well, it makes sense:

Mauser Gewehr 98K: 7.92x57mm (gigantic death bullet!)
M1 "Garand": 7.62x63mm A.K.A. .30-06. (also a gigantic death round, but a bit smaller to be handled in semi-automatic fire.)

You can't really say they have varying levels of "punch"--the Mauser's bullet wasn't that much bigger, and both bullets can easily kill with one round virtually anywhere on the torso.

Now, MP40 vs. Thompson: This is different. Here, we have one of the all-time battles:
9mm VS. .45!!!!
Both of these submachine guns have almost equal recoil. The MP40, because it's so light, and the Thompson because, even though it's heavy, it fires dang 230-grain .45 ACP rounds and kicks like a mule, as all .45s do.

And I prefer the Springfield to the Mauser sniper.

Mustang · 01-07-2002, 10:32 AM

For some reason I prefer the scoped mauser over the springfield, it's probably my imagination but it seems quicker to cycle than the springfield.

But apart from that all the other weapons are pretty well much on par, what the mauser looses in cyclic rate from the garand it makes it up in accuracy and punch.

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