[¿SmB?Killtor]

I don't know how many of you this happens too, or how many people I have played with will read this, but lately I and the rest of our little clan have been accused of cheating quite a bit lately. I don't understand why it is that people who get killed automatically think you are cheating.
People keep saying they can't hit me. Maybey it's because I am constantly strafing instead of standing still.
They say I have too many kills. Mabey it's because I don't camp in one spot and wait for people to come to me.
They say I have an aim bot running. Mabey they don't realize that we actually play this game quite a bit more than they do, and by quite a bit I mean several hours a night.
Since we have been playing a while, we tend to know all the hiding spots on most of the boards. When I have the ¿SmB? server running, we play at a 1.4 speed multiplier, hence making it easier to play on a slower server. I wish people would wake up and realize that not everyone is a cheater. Some people have praticed alot and gotten good at the game. I don't want anyone to take this like I'm saying I am the best and everyone else sucks, as there are still many people who can whoop me. I'm just tired of being accused of being a cheater when I, nor anyone in ¿SmB? is. My one and only mod is the blood mod, and if people consider that cheating I'll take it off.

nobody here cares. mohaa is hopelessly ruined, this being one of numerous reasons. it happens, move on, if you don't like it go play dod or something.

[Bazooka_Joe]

Sorry to hear it, but as Strik0r said, we've heard this enough.

[HaVoc]

Originally Posted by Strik0r

nobody here cares. mohaa is hopelessly ruined, this being one of numerous reasons. it happens, move on, if you don't like it go play dod or something.

lol. For the first time EVER I have to say I agree with you 100%! MoH: AA has been hacked to the point of no return. All the honest players can't play the damn game withot having to worry about all the freaking cheating assholes! One wonder people accuse others of cheating when nearly 50% of the time they are correct! This is one of the reasons I can't wait for PA. No more fucking cheaters!!! ...at least not for the first few months...

wtf is pa? pacific assault? mohaa hacks still work with spearhead, of course they will with another stupid expansion

Originally Posted by Strik0r

nobody here cares. mohaa is hopelessly ruined, this being one of numerous reasons. it happens, move on, if you don't like it go play dod or something.

But then you sacrifice good graphics...There needs to be a new game with good graphics and WWII theme, and don't say Wolfenstein, it sucks

[Ydiss]

I presume Americans must have more cheaters, because I've still yet to see clear evidence of a really nasty cheat being used on me on European servers.

Now, I know they exist and I've seen plenty of evidence of wall-hacks, no-recoil, no-bush/door/window modifications and I am also aware of a fairly average auto-fire mod using red and blue skins.

I've only ever had one experience of a definite wall-hacker playing against me and that was our good friends from GOD.

And they're American...

MoH may have lots of "hacks" available for it but it isn't anywhere near as bad as CS and other games.

For all I know I am playing against people who use these modifications every day, but I couldn't care less, so long as they kill me more than I kill them then they've beaten me.

Most players I see these days on respectable Euro servers use sniper rifles like never before and it certainly looks like they're using an auto-fire bot, but I know they aren't.

I know they've just spent a long time playing the game (or similar games) and are just very good at their chosen weapon.

And when you get accused of cheating? Who cares! Just ignore it, they can't hurt you with words. If they don't like it they can leave the server, it's their choice.

It's not ruining the game for me when I get accused of cheating. I just ignore it, or tell them to leave the server if they think I cheat. If they don't want to leave the server then that's their problem, I certainly won't.

The only thing "killing" MoH is the lack of support from EA (I say "killing" because it'd be more accurate to say "preventing it from progressing"). Even then I still play it. So long as there are good servers to play on against good players and I enjoy playing it, I don't care if it's supported or not.

I may be the only one to think this but cheating isn't killing MOH at all. It's a shame it seems to be doing it for everyone else.

[Simo Häyhä]

this kind of thread has been posted many times

[Tiwaz]

These accusations happen to me as well, sometimes. But I also sometimes suspect somebody (most of the time when they're better than I am); lots of times I am right, I think. But I never call someone a cheater anymore. I just play, and if there are too many of them (cheaters), I leave.

Fortunately, I have found some servers where they are running anti-cheat software. Some are not public, or need a password. It's not waterproof, but better than the public ones.

Also, I have read about some anti-cheat software being developed, which checks server and client side for cheats. I'm hoping many public private servers will start running these; maybe it helps. Untill then I'm sticking to servers where cheating is minimal (I think).

If it stays like this, I will probably continue playing MoHAA, but not as often as nowadays. That sucks, because I still like MoHAA. Even after a year of playing online (In my opinion MoHAA is the best MP game ever, I like it more than any other game).

Maybe, as I have said before, the cheaters will finally stop playing and move on to the next game. My guess is the real cheaters don't really like the game after all, they only like to win (or being annoying or something). In believe the people who REALLY like the game will not easily be tempted by cheats. They like a nice battle more than winning. For example, I almost always rifle (both M1 and KAR). Those aren't the easiest weapons to handle. Winning is nearly impossible if your playing against machinegunners with the same level of skill you have, but nothing beats the feeling of killing a BARman with a KAR...

I am aware that this may all seem incredibly ingenuous of me, but I think there is some truth in it.

[Tiwaz]

Originally Posted by Ydiss

I presume Americans must have more cheaters, because I've still yet to see clear evidence of a really nasty cheat being used on me on European servers.

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I may be the only one to think this but cheating isn't killing MOH at all. It's a shame it seems to be doing it for everyone else.

I have seen my share of cheaters on some European servers as well; I almost never play on American servers though (bad ping for me), so I don't know if it's worse over there.

Killing? For me, not really. Maybe in a few months I will think differently...

It's only a game.

I need an edit button.

[Ydiss]

Did you have 100% undeniable proof that they were using cheats? I know I never have. Even when I heavilly suspected TEAMGOD of using wallhacks against me I could not prove it (I know they were, I've seen wallhackers in action before, the signs are so much easier to pick up than aimbot users in other games).

I know they exist, as I said (after-all, the most popular cheat site I've seen is German based), but some of the most amazing players I have seen do not use cheats. Some of the things I have seen my RL best friend do in MoH are frightneningly cheat-like, except I know he doesn't cheat.

He's just bloody good. Not surprising for someone who has played online FPS games since Half Life first came out, though. He's been accused of cheating more times than he's had hot dinners and even banned a few times from servers, as well. None of these were proven.

At the end of the day I'd much rather take it on the chin, admit someone is better than me and then learn to beat them back. That is much better than calling them cheats and risking the fact that they are not.

[Tiwaz]

Originally Posted by Ydiss

Did you have 100% undeniable proof that they were using cheats?

Yes, kinda. I have my own set of cheats, a pack with no-recoil-hack and neon skins which are visible through walls. Sometimes when I seriously suspect someone, I leave the server, put the .pk3 in my MoHAA folder and join again using a different nick. Then I go spectator and check out the suspicious guy. So you can see what he sees. That is, if he is using wallhack. Unless he is a real experienced cheater it is VERY easy to tell if he can see through walls. Even with an experienced cheater you can tell, but it may take some time. Eventually he will give himself away.

I don't do this on a regular basis, because playing is about fun and not about catching cheaters. It's merely a trick to take my frustration about losing away...

M16:

[Ydiss]

I must have been lucky then, hehe. I'm not worried about no-recoil or bushes or doors etc (I've tried them all for a few games to see what they were like, they don't do enough to increase my performance at all). The only cheat out at the moment that makes a serious difference is wallhacks.

This is why I try my best to play on servers where I feel comfortable that no one cheats. You still get the odd glitcher and under-worlder, but I don't often see people who i suspect of using wallhacks.

[Tiwaz]

No recoil or bushes don't bother me that much either. Using no-recoil makes aiming easier to some degree. No bushes? Sucks. Consider no bushes in Southern France. Boring. Neon-skins? Sucks.
I'd rather play on a nice looking map and loosing than winning with screwed up graphics on a low detail map and Unreal bright yellow opponents.

Neon skins/wallhacks are a real pain in the ass, it is SO MUCH easier then. I once used it in Crossroads. Sniper. A nice score.

With some cheaters I can keep up, even without cheats. Must be frustrating for them. Or not: They probably think that I am cheating as well. On a server where I'm quite sure nobody cheats, I don't mind losing. Being beaten by some cheater who is not as good as you, is so frustrating. And they know it.

For the record: I know of some snipers that are just unbelievably good, especially in Destroyed Village/Crossroads. Must have taken them quite some practice I guess.