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Default 03-20-2003, 12:48 PM

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":d7340]Np Joe theres a huge silent majority in UK that feel the same as I do also.

Im ashamed at how some European countries are trying to gell together against the USA all the time, its good to have opposition of course, this is democracy, but there needs to be common sense in the argument also.

France ignored this when they threatened to `vito` no matter what the new resolution was that the US/Uk and Spanish goverments proposed, therefore forcing war on Iraq with no option left.

Its amazing how stupid some people are,

Iraq is a rogue state: Fact

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Iraq is funding terrorist groups like the Palastinian terror group Hamas Fact

Iraq is pursuing weapons of mass destruction for some time now Fact

The point is NOT Iraq attacking any single nation `directly` the DANGER is Iraq passing on these `weapons of mass destruction` to terror networks around the globe, and a dirty bomb/anthrax virus being detonated/released in a city like London or New York.

Some idiots cannot see past this argument, and im disappointed that people are so naive to understand this threat! hake:[/quote:d7340]

Holy cow, i can't believe someone broke through !! Prey, you're my new hero....let me buy you a beer. This is everything i've been trying to say. I'm glad there is one other person on this planet who feels the same as me!!
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Default 03-20-2003, 03:00 PM

I think the case has already been proved...

Within the first 24 hours of the War starting Sadam has hit Kuwait City with at least 3 SCUD missiles, Ya`know, The ones he hasnt got? The ones 12 years of inspections were supposed to find?

Theres your proof

God only knows what else hes got hidden, I just hope he doesnt gas the whole of Baghdad when the time comes, who knows what hes going to do, hes already torching the southern oil fields. mad:
  
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[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":fdd7a]I think the case has already been proved...

Within the first 24 hours of the War starting Sadam has hit Kuwait City with at least 3 SCUD missiles, Ya`know, The ones he hasnt got? The ones 12 years of inspections were supposed to find?

Theres your proof

God only knows what else hes got hidden, I just hope he doesnt gas the whole of Baghdad when the time comes, who knows what hes going to do, hes already torching the southern oil fields. mad:[/quote:fdd7a]

They weren't scuds according to some news websites, and the pentagon said it as well afaik.




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Default 03-20-2003, 03:18 PM

It has just been reported, via cnn 2:30PM that at least one of the missles directed at the milliatary coaliciton and not Kawait(spelling?) was a Scud.

However it is still very early to tell if this is fact or rumor.


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Default 03-20-2003, 03:19 PM

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They weren't scuds according to some news websites, and the pentagon said it as well afaik.
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Default 03-20-2003, 03:23 PM

lol the pentagon said it was a fake? NERF SCUDS!
  
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[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":e99b0]I think the case has already been proved...

Within the first 24 hours of the War starting Sadam has hit Kuwait City with at least 3 SCUD missiles, Ya`know, The ones he hasnt got? The ones 12 years of inspections were supposed to find?

Theres your proof

God only knows what else hes got hidden, I just hope he doesnt gas the whole of Baghdad when the time comes, who knows what hes going to do, hes already torching the southern oil fields. mad:[/quote:e99b0]

My sentiments exactly.
  
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Default 03-20-2003, 03:24 PM

[quote="Old Reliable":9cae0]NERF SCUDS![/quote:9cae0]

HAW HAW HAW! Whiffle missiles.



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Default 03-20-2003, 03:33 PM

I heard this morning that they were not scuds, but fox news still says at least one was a scud. Who knows?
  
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Default 03-20-2003, 04:24 PM

[quote="Old Reliable":0614e]lol the pentagon said it was a fake? NERF SCUDS![/quote:0614e]

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Default 03-20-2003, 06:12 PM

Did the French really think that their decision would prevent us from going to war? Now that their opinion doens't matter and we are going anyway, they got screwed... they would have gotten what they deserved(oil and money wise) once we liberated Iraq but now they arent getting sh*t. Shows how smart they are.

As for the other nations behind the US, they know whats going down and made the right decisiion on choosing sides.
  
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Default 03-20-2003, 06:49 PM

Why are there so many damn rice throwing liberal commies in my country? I didin't realise how many ppl opposed the war until I went to university today and saw them all walk out.

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Default 03-20-2003, 07:58 PM

This is worth a read;
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Written by: Peter Freundlich of NPR

Food for thought... I'll take some mushroom tea, please...

All right, let me see if I understand the logic of this correctly. We are going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war. The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be taken seriously, and if we have to subvert its word to guarantee that it is, then by gum, we will. Peace is too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I getting this right?

Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is to vitiate the democracy of the Security Council, then we are honor-bound to do that too, because democracy, as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a little thing like democracy as they define it.

Also, in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at home, we cannot afford dissension among ourselves. We must speak with one voice against Saddam Hussein's failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. We are sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make the point that might does not make right, as Saddam Hussein seems to think it does. And we are twisting the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition. We cannot leave in power a dictator who ignores his own people. And if our people, and people elsewhere in the world, fail to understand that, then we have no choice but to ignore them.

Listen. Don't misunderstand. I think it is a good thing that the members of the Bush administration seem to have been reading Lewis Carroll. I only wish someone had pointed out that "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass" are meditations on paradox and puzzle and illogic and on the strangeness of things, not templates for foreign policy. It is amusing for the Mad Hatter to say something like, `We must make war on him because he is a threat to peace,' but not amusing for someone who actually commands an army to say that. As a collector of laughable arguments, I'd be enjoying all this were it not for the fact that I know--we all know--that lives are going to be lost in what amounts to a freak, circular reasoning accident. --

Peter Freundlich / National Public Radio / 13.03.03
  
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[quote="I'm HUGE!":65e54]This is worth a read;
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Written by: Peter Freundlich of NPR

Food for thought... I'll take some mushroom tea, please...

All right, let me see if I understand the logic of this correctly. We are going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war. The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be taken seriously, and if we have to subvert its word to guarantee that it is, then by gum, we will. Peace is too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I getting this right?

Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is to vitiate the democracy of the Security Council, then we are honor-bound to do that too, because democracy, as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a little thing like democracy as they define it.

Also, in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at home, we cannot afford dissension among ourselves. We must speak with one voice against Saddam Hussein's failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. We are sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make the point that might does not make right, as Saddam Hussein seems to think it does. And we are twisting the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition. We cannot leave in power a dictator who ignores his own people. And if our people, and people elsewhere in the world, fail to understand that, then we have no choice but to ignore them.

Listen. Don't misunderstand. I think it is a good thing that the members of the Bush administration seem to have been reading Lewis Carroll. I only wish someone had pointed out that "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass" are meditations on paradox and puzzle and illogic and on the strangeness of things, not templates for foreign policy. It is amusing for the Mad Hatter to say something like, `We must make war on him because he is a threat to peace,' but not amusing for someone who actually commands an army to say that. As a collector of laughable arguments, I'd be enjoying all this were it not for the fact that I know--we all know--that lives are going to be lost in what amounts to a freak, circular reasoning accident. --

Peter Freundlich / National Public Radio / 13.03.03[/quote:65e54]

Written by some left-wing muppet who doesnt live in the real world.

Sadam poses a direct threat to his neighbours as demonstrated when he invaded iraq and poses an in-direct threat to the rest of the world via terrorist funding as demonstrated by his support for Hamas terror group (and God knows who else)

He will obtain weapons of mass destruction at some point in the future if we allowed him to continue, and millions of innocents will die when he provides one of these terror networks with these materials, be it in a concealed tin of hair-spray or a dirty bomb.

You lied, that wasnt worth a read, wake up ffs. eek:
  
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Default 03-20-2003, 10:57 PM

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]Sadam poses a direct threat to his neighbours.....[/quote:039f7]

Funny....I don't see many of his neighbours helping the US remove this "direct threat". Excluding the US, who's actually supplied troops again? 45,000 from the UK and 2000 from Australia...!?


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]as demonstrated when he invaded iraq (kuwait)[/quote:039f7]

Do two searches on google using the following keywords;

a) kuwait slant drilling iraqi oil fields
b) april glaspie iraq invade kuwait


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]and poses an in-direct threat to the rest of the world via terrorist funding as demonstrated by his support for Hamas terror group (and God knows who else)[/quote:039f7]

Well, I suppose "terrorist funding" is a subjective term....I'm sure there are millions upon millions of Muslims out there who would class the USA's constant supply of $$$ and military equipment to Israel as "terrorist funding".


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]He [i]will[/i] obtain weapons of mass destruction at some point in the future if we allowed him to continue,[/quote:039f7]

I thought the US was going to war because [i]he has[/i] weapons of mass destruction? (and oil of course!)

Ahhh yes.....who sold him the WMD's again....?

[url="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-528574,00.html"]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 74,00.html[/url]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, ... 42,00.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/ ... iraq01.htm
  
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