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Default 01-11-2002, 05:37 AM

I dont want to argue what every single person did in ww2 so please lets stop this.

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Default 01-11-2002, 06:59 AM

sorry, plz delete

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Default 01-11-2002, 07:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
the majority of germans were not brainwashed, but they just sat back and did nothing.

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lol U know a shit
my teacher told us a few days ago a history happend in my city
a old woman saw a jew doing a unneccessary work,she wanted to help him and she asked the SS soilder who stood next him why this man must do this, hes hungry and looking tired. the ss soilder told her that if she say one more word she could do the work for the jew. ppl had not many chances to do sth. if they had done sth some wuld have reported this to the police and they were busted. also to say that ppls have nothing sure not many, but stundents wanted to change the whermacht and let them fight against hitler. dont forget that not all gernerals were nazis they just liked to see their success they had in the war. and someone said that the red army raped german women, yeah that right but german ss soilders putted families and other russians in a house and burned it down.

may be this now was told before but i dont have the time to read through all posts

after ww1 germany was poor , the industry sucked and many ppl were poor ,too
the goverment in that time the spd could not change this. and so in time ppl meant that they need a leader, one leader wo make fast decisions and everything would get better. hitler said things during his voting fights or whatever who are not possible. he dont said that he would begin a war. also u know the book my fight mein kampf from hitler. in that , he worte it before 1933 in a prison , he wrote down everything he would do if hes at the might. but not many ppl read those book, also not many germans cuz it was boring.also foreign presidents read this book but laughed and said that it would not possible that hitler want to kill all jews. yeah it was im possible to blieve sth like this.....
so after 1933 when hitler had what he wanted(goverment) he let destroy jews stores by the SA so they had to build up everything they had. many jews thought that this was just for one time and they wanted to stay in germany, cuz it was their home country and dont wanted to leave everything behind
later hitler sq that "normal" ppl still bought their things in jews stores and then he maked signs in front of jews stores so ppl should not buy their, little later again he placed SA men in front of the stores and ppl began to be afraid to buy there.......yeah i could tell much more , bad english i know ; BUT ppl like Freakaloin know nothing about our past, at least not much

edit: before ww1 mostly every european country had colonies. the countrys then began a huge armamanet of guns and things(not the excatly word)for some reasons ,i dont remember and began a war, well in the end britain , france , may be spain and i think the usa fought germany down

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Default 01-11-2002, 07:47 AM

Yes my point was many German soldiers were not Nazis. Point made.

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Default 01-11-2002, 07:57 AM

SS-Nappo:They finnish also got help from swedish volunters(I'm half finnish and half swedish and live in Sweden).

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Default 01-11-2002, 08:13 AM

The SS hated himmler. They thought he was a criminal and a weak minded bastard. They also hated the Gestapo. As one former soldier said "We were infiltrated by criminals and murderers and that the reputation we recevied wasnt always justified. We fought honourably".
To label everyone as Nazis in the SS or otherwise at that time is just plain stupid. Look at Rommel. A gentleman and great General. Certainly no Nazi.

  
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Default 01-11-2002, 08:25 AM

I pity everyone who doesn't buy a good car just because it made in the country that had a war more than 55 years ago.
  
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Default 01-11-2002, 08:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> it's so pathetic that the silent majority in germany sit back and let hitler do what he did to the world.

duty to their country...puhlease...

friggin rednecks [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to agree on that...


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Default 01-11-2002, 08:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jonesy-the-cat:
Hey man, I'm older than you and your sig looks pretty pro Nazi to me. I can't read German. Does that say something about you not being pro-Nazi? I can't read it and neither can almost anyone else here, primarily young american boys.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if you need it spelled out for you nOOb...go to our fricking site and scroll down a bit... http://www.geocities.com/moh_2ss/




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Default 01-11-2002, 08:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Soda:
"My honour is called loyalty" (if my german is any good)
Then it says "Stinky Führer" "Nation Klaus"

Only the two SS make it dubious.

And for some reason, I can't understand what Telephone is writing.

But please, the Germans did not know that they were doing the "wrong" thing. They were fighting for their country. They wanted one great Germania (das dritte Reich). More than 7 years Hitler was the leader of Germany, before he started the war. He had time enough to convince the people of the necessity of a war (remember, opposition was forbidden). Propaganda movies, posters, audiographs were distributed amongst the people. The Germans only heard one opinion. It's a psychological phenomenae that people just "follow the flow" when there's only one opinion, and don't forget Hitler's mass meetings! It was a lot of social pressure, that is VERY difficult to withstand.
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go grab a german to english translation dictionary.....
Mein Ehre Heisst Treue=My loyalty is my Honor
Das Geminschaft = The Brotherhood
Rottenfuhrer = CORPORAL

no,your german Sucks....get a bit of information before you flame ME,Boy!

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Default 01-11-2002, 09:00 AM

Colonel Hogan, thank you for explaining that.

I must reiterate that there were 2 kinds of SS. Himmler's Personal SS Extermination Squad, and the Waffen SS. The Waffen SS was like the Army Rangers. More elite than your standard grunt.

Not all of germany believed the Nazi propoganda. And for you idiots saying that all germans were nazis because they were stupid and easily brainwashed, I'd like to punch you in the face if you were here.

When you have a gun pointed at your face and the person on the other end says 'join the party, or you die.' You'll do exactly what others did: join and fight. Not for the glory of the party, but for you life, and the glory of your country. Its no different than what the U.S. is doing now. We're defending our pride and heritage.
  
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Default 01-11-2002, 09:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
the majority of germans were not brainwashed, but they just sat back and did nothing.

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They probably choose to do nothing so they would stay alive. Just think about that, you really think Hitler would have a problem killing a German who didn't want to be have?
Why not the blood wasn't actually on his hands!!!



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Default 01-11-2002, 09:18 AM

Maybe so but you did any of you realise what a state Germany was in before the war? A billion marks for a loaf of bread and suddenly this guy comes to power and he says he has all the answers. Let me just say that if any of us were living in Germany at the time we a great many of us would be swept up in things like Hitler Youth, Waffen SS etc.

I remember watching that movie Nuremburg and when the top Nazi officer was on the stand and the prosecutor asked him "Who questioned the orders for the concentration camps?"
"No one living, only the yesmen are still alive"
So for Christ's sake you must understand that the German people were tricked into the Third Reich and any opposition to it was crushed.

They only good person who ever came out of the Nazi Party was Oskar Schindler.

So were all German soldiers Nazi's? I don't know but certainly they weren't all evil and fanatical but they were certainly tricked into the Third Reich.

Were the Germans the only bad guys? No. Invading Russians committed terrible atrocities such as rape, murder and looting. Hell, even Australian soldiers committed war crimes. For example after a platoon tied up some Japanese prisoners and moved on, the next platoon through bayonetted them and ran on.
So what is the difference between Freedom Fighters and the German soldiers? Not much.

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Default 01-11-2002, 09:23 AM

"When you have a gun pointed at your face and the person on the other end says 'join the party, or you die.' You'll do exactly what others did: join and fight. Not for the glory of the party, but for you life, and the glory of your country." -Patton


A single person with a gun CAN'T order 10 people to do something they belive with all their heart is worng.

Say for instance you are at a family reunion
and some guy comes up to you and say those people over there related to you by marriage
and inferior to you. Then he points a gun to your head and tells you to kill them. Would you? YOu would becuase you are a rat bastard and don't want to die. I wouldn't. I would fight him and probably die. But i died with with honor. the former of that scenerio is what happen in germany in the 1930s and 40s. It was NAZI GERMANY, not germany. The german people let it become nazi germany becuase they had no balls. And went along. IF this happened in a different country, it most likely would have been a civil war.

The German army nowadays aren't Nazis. But during the period MOH is trying to recreate they were. If you fought for something you didn't believe in, you are still guilty of the crime you are fighting for.


The germans in MOH are NAZIs!

  
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Default 01-11-2002, 10:29 AM

You are talking a load of shit Joker. You would probaly shit in your pants if some one pointed a fake gun in your face.

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