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you now what's funny? i think most of us who know how to make decent sigs or graphxs learned the hard way. Well, at least i did. I just learn by myself. I'm not saying i never looked at a tutorial, but never i look at something that showed me how to do what i wanted completely. Tuts are good, for ideas. Put those ideas to applications. Animation was hard, but you just need to think ahead. That's my best advice for any of you that want to do sigs, either animated or not. Think of what you want, and Double think it.