[Big Jake]

[quote="[JuGGeRnAuT]":cebec]Tippmans and spyders suck for real paintballers. They are very low end guns. But if your a begginner, they are both fine. They both work they just aren't good guns relative to the guns most use, ie Autocockers, Angels, Dye made stuff, shockers, etc.[/quote:cebec]

To some extent yeah however last tournament I played in, my teamates were using a Bushmaster and and Dye, I was using the 98 with the Flatline
The other team wasn't worried about them. They were worried about me, I was sniping the hell out of them from long range and they couldn't even touch me