[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Innoxx

Alfa (Spetznaz), GIGN, GSG9, KSK, SAS, OMON, SPAP, SEK > SEALS

Add also, NZSAS, STG, and Aussie SAS.

[Ydiss]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Add also, NZSAS, STG, and Aussie SAS.

Of course, but they aren't in Europe biggrin:

This is a bit of a no-debate as there is no way to compare a continent with a single nation.

It's all very well when you have even team numbers (Ryder Cup, ahem) but when you compare unequal entities like military forces you start entering a logistical, statistical and, to be frank utterly pointless nightmare of a debate. Basically, most "facts" that people will come up with here (if they aren't numbers based) will be purely guesses.

The US military (combined) is the most powerful fighting force on the planet, but largely due to the fact that they have the most money to spend on it. But then take 10 of the finest and well equiped fighters in the world and tell them to go fight 500 poorly equiped, but fierce fighters and I know who I'd put my money on.

Now, comparing Navy Seals and SAS, or US Marines and British Royal Marines would be more interesting and a bit more balanced.

It'd pretty scary stuff putting a group of those men in a small building together (especially the special forces) and telling them the other lot called them bad names.

[JBird]

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":dd09b]Sounds like a good movie. Someone should make one where the Russians invade America and then run into redneck country or get shot 2 shyt by the Gangsters in Chicago.[/quote:dd09b]

I was born and raised in chicago, still live here, and i dont appreciate your slanderious stereotypical remarks about my beloved city.

Originally Posted by Ferich

All the gangsters in Chicago are just fat italians that do nothing except launder money. No more cool Tommy gun killings or anything. I miss the 30's.

I was born and raised in chicago, still live here, and i dont appreciate your slanderious stereotypical remarks about my beloved city.

hake:

[Oddball]

It would be a war of annihilation, therefore the side with the largest population would win, Europe would win but at a terrible cost. It would be like Germany's invasion of Russia, unless it was quick and swift, if it dragged out over a long period of time the Europeans would win.

[=FM=1st Lt prey]

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":66441]Well the U.S. of course! First France would surrender before a shot was fired, then England and Ireland would see that they had rather be friends with the U.S. than Europe so they would join us, and Canada would supply us with lumberjacks and syrup so we would be fine there. Germany would be to intrested in taking over Europe after the war that they would confuse their Europe battle plans with the ones againts America and end up destroying themselves. Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia would make it about as far as Iceland when they started shooting each other becuase they where drunk on Russian Vodka. Poland would get ran over in the race to build up armies, and those other little states in Europe wuld sit it out and then try to take, over. In the end the U.S. would be even more powerful and Europe would be ran by Luxembourg.

Just kidding, I do not knwo who would[/quote:66441]

ahahahahaha that was pure gold biggrin:

Dunno who would win, im from UK but hope USA would win cus Europe sucks ass

[imported_Fluffy_Bunny]

[quote="|ANIMAL| 1SG Jaybird":dab74][quote="Fluffy_Bunny":dab74]Sounds like a good movie. Someone should make one where the Russians invade America and then run into redneck country or get shot 2 shyt by the Gangsters in Chicago.[/quote:dab74]

I was born and raised in chicago, still live here, and i dont appreciate your slanderious stereotypical remarks about my beloved city.



hake:[/quote:dab74]

I take it you've never seen Rocketeer. Aren't the Soprano's also from Chicago?

[Tiwaz]

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":698a4]Dunno who would win, im from UK but hope USA would win cus Europe sucks ass[/quote:698a4]

Some Brits still deny being European hehe.

About this hypothetical conflict:

Interesting to see how some think Europe will invade the USA, and some think the opposite. As it is now, Europe (EU) lacks coherence to invade the USA. So, most likely (if such a probability even exists), the USA will start the war. And that is why they will loose. In the end.

Also interesting: What will happen after the war? Controlling over 300 million Europeans will not be easy. Certainly not if you take Asia in account. Will China strengthen their bonds with Europe or with America. Chances are it will be the former. Goes for many other nations as well. What will happen to the US' economy? It will collapse. Remember: America is spending far more than it produces per year (other nations' investments make this possible). No money is no army. Is no food. Et cetera.

This is only one argument, there are many more. Only viewing the military side of this conflict is far too hypothetical. Trying to take all variables in account is far too difficult. There are just too many.

So, my conclusion:

The bad boys will loose, in the end. Just like Germany lost in WWII. Just like the Roman empire collapsed.

About this topic: At first I thought 'damn, another nonsense-topic'. And although it still is nonsense, I enjoyed the read, biggrin:

[Whatada]

[quote="Office Depot":b8b98]Simo don't do that, I don't want this locked. Let's just have a nice debate about the military capacities of both the United States and Europe.[/quote:b8b98]

Says the man with the buttseckz sig..... Anyway....

Yeah, I gotta admit, Europe would probably win....... But not with a good fight. But you're all forgetting that the U.S would get allies, although not many. One country can't beat a friggin continent. It would be a good war of battle and a-sneekiness evil: . After Europe defeated USA they would take it over and like, rename it Franglandermanyrussiolandland.

I should think that invasion from either side would be far fetched, since either side can easily maintain local air superiority (all they have to do is zoom in, waste the tankers, and zoom out, all the other planes won't have the range to cross the Atlantic, except for heavy bombers without escort).

the US does have the stealth trump card, which can theoretically fly in and blow away enemy airfields before they know what's happening. (can anyone give me reliable numbers on the number of B-2s we have?) Each B-2 can carry 16 JDAMs or JSOWs, which is bad news for anyone.

[Eight Ace]

Nevermind the rest of Europe, I think at two down, Germany has a lot to play for...
world domination is not out of their grasp, and at the end of the day, a third provocation
of total war may well see a reversal of fortune for the hapless Kraut side.

[LoneGunner87]

Maybe if all of Europe attacked yes they might win but if like only a couple of countrys would i dont think so.

[Simo Häyhä]

whoever is defending in this war will win. the attackers will be bogged down crossing the atlantic

[LoneGunner87]

Dont you think Japan and china would attack us as well . eek:

[Simo Häyhä]

Originally Posted by LoneGunner87

Dont you think Japan and china would attack us as well . eek:

it said europe vrs usa...unless you think japan and china are in europe eek:

[LoneGunner87]

and dont you think they would join the fight as well. War just doesnt effect two countries it effects them all.