ATheism - Page 4

CaP bUsTa · 06-10-2003, 12:14 AM

I can testify to the fact that having Jesus in your heart does not bring you more joy. I truely, truely, believed in God and Jesus untill about a year ago when i had my confirmation, then i started questioning it all. Now, I am happier and enjoy life more, not because I have broken away from the commandments (i think most of those are great rules no matter what and i abide by most of them) but because I have came up with my own definition of meaning. To me Jesus or God doesnt give me meaning in life. I think that for someone to find meaning in their lives they need to do something to gain it. Playing sports, playing video games, being outdoors, being with my family and friends, and learning all give me meaning. I think that things like these put meaning into a life that in reality, when all is said and done, has no meaning at all. Our lifes are a minute fraction of time in an unimaginably small part of the universe, but it's my fraction of time. Im going to do something with it.

geRV · 06-10-2003, 12:31 AM

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":d6221][quote:d6221]Why do i not believe in it? Basically ive been through so much fucking shit in my life i have a hard time believeing there is one almighty jackoff in control of it all. Religion = a load of fuck,[/quote:d6221]

So you have had a hard life? Becuase you have had a hard life you believe there is no God? What about the poor people in Africa who recieve Christ, and the ones who die for Him, I do not hear them complaning. Do not be mad at God for your life, He could have put you in alot worse situation. Just make the best of it, if you accept Jesus, He will always be there for you, and you will always have someone to turn to. Why believe science? Science has to much of human input involved, read the Bible, just see how you feel at the end. You might say religious people are simple, but whats simple about accepting a free gift to be saved from external hell? There is but one way to Heaven, and thats through Jesus. Compare religions, read the Bible just see what you think. Many people are afraid to give up their life of fun to follow Jesus, but by giving up your sinful life for one to follow Jesus you will have a life that you have not to worry in, becuase there is no question where you are goig when you die. Also you will have alot more joy, becuase you will have Jesus in your heart.[/quote:d6221]

Spare me your bible thumping rhetoric. Religion = oOo: in my opinion and nothing you say or do is gonna change that.

SoLiDUS · 06-10-2003, 04:59 AM

[quote="Sgt Stryker":e1816]well, given my scientific background I cannot prove nor disprove the existance of God (or various Gods like early religions),
however science CAN DISPROVE a LITERAL INTERPRETETION of the Bible.

SO I say that man was created by evolution, but I do not deny that a higher being created evolution.[/quote:e1816]

Ditto.

Stryker's comment says it best...

Akuma · 06-10-2003, 05:02 AM

[quote="White Rabbit":9fd3e][quote="Gothic_child180":9fd3e]Umm... Just guess at my religious status.[/quote:9fd3e]

satanism[/quote:9fd3e]

Accually no. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell or God or the Devil. More of an ateist that slightly supports wiccan.

Tiwaz · 06-10-2003, 05:46 AM

It's all about believing. Some believe in God, some don't. But, he who doesn't believe shouldn't bother presenting all kinds of 'scientific' facts proving God does not exist. Same goes for the believers. There simply is not enough proof.

At this moment in time, man does not know all. So many things are still unexplained. Darwin's theory concerning evolution of mankind does not explain all. There still are many contingencies. Not only how we evolved, but also how we function, how the universe functions. Thinking we are close to knowing all, is being naïve. Until that moment (of knowing all) arrives, if ever, one can not deny the existence of a God, nor can one prove it. From a scientific point of view. The way I see it, I don't have a choice. There must be a higher being in control. Also, the moment we know all there is to know, we become Gods ourselves. But I think we never will.

Consider this, what was going on before the Big Bang? Many scientists may have some kind of explanation, but they do not know for sure. If there was nothing, there was no God either, but then again, is our definition of 'nothing' correct? I guess 'nothing', 'never', etc. are relative concepts for humans. Example: Present day facts were mysteries in the Dark Ages. We still might think some things are not 'there', but if we do not know all, how can we be sure? The universe is filled with mysteries. Even for us 'intelligent' modern humans. We do not even know where and how the universe ends. All we know is that it is still expanding. Therefore, 'end' is a relative term as well. So is the ending of a human's life?

Zoner · 06-10-2003, 06:20 AM

I'm not overly religious, but I'd like to believe there's a higher power.

When I'm at my 11th hour and about to sign off from this world, I know my final breath will be to give God the go-ahead to take me home.

pest · 06-10-2003, 07:17 AM

[quote="Sgt Stryker":3c06a]well, given my scientific background I cannot prove nor disprove the existance of God (or various Gods like early religions),
however science CAN DISPROVE a LITERAL INTERPRETETION of the Bible.

SO I say that man was created by evolution, but I do not deny that a higher being created evolution.[/quote:3c06a]

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. I believe in evolution and God. I do not think the bible is a literal work, but unfortunately, most of the times that people quote the bible, it is out of its true context. This is a work that has been passed down for thousands of years, first by oral traditions and later writen by scores of humans. Then it had to be traslated, again by humans, and many times to suit a particular persons needs. Science has proved that, historically, the bible is accurate. If you want to know the true literal meaning of the bible, you need to know the historical background. The vast majority of those that quote the bible dont. And its a complete work, not a sound bite. "An eye for an eye" was thrown out the door by "turn the other cheek" but people remember what is convenient.

Now, to the science part. Can you prove the beginnings of life on this planet with science? What was the catalyst that jump started life? How did the universe begin? Big bang? Yeah right. So you can disprove a few things from the bible. Fine, but can you prove anything about our beginnings with science? The answer is no. There are thoeries, but most have about as much proof as religion. Thats why it is called faith.

pest · 06-10-2003, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innoxx

As I've stated before, "Religion is a means of controlling simple people."

So are laws.

SoLiDUS · 06-10-2003, 07:22 AM

Laws were written for the proper functioning of society, because we all know
most people won't follow the Golden Rule, which is about the only real "law"
we need. In other words, I agree with your last post... but I disagree about
the first in regards to science having as much factual evidence about the world
as the "good book": should I write an essay about it or will you look it up using
Google ? :-P

SoLiDUS · 06-10-2003, 07:32 AM

Another thought that has occured to me: although not exactly accurate, it
does have some comical value so here goes...

If the world consisted entirely of bible thumping believers, we wouldn't have
the ability to communicate together on this forum: we would lack computing
devices!

biggrin:

pest · 06-10-2003, 07:34 AM

Bottom line - believe what you want to believe. But I cant understand why some people are so threatened by other peoples beliefs that they feel the need to bash them. Its stereotyping, and it will get you into the same kind of problems with religion that it will with everything else. There is an endless list of heros, and conquerers and otherwise great people that have just been called simple minded because they had religion. Blanket statements dont work.

pest · 06-10-2003, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Another thought that has occured to me: although not exactly accurate, it
does have some comical value so here goes...

If the world consisted entirely of bible thumping believers, we wouldn't have
the ability to communicate together on this forum: we would lack computing
devices!

biggrin:

Akk.

Dont confuse all relition with bible thumpers. I hate extremists on both sides.

And why wouldnt we have computing devices? Science isnt evil.

pest · 06-10-2003, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Laws were written for the proper functioning of society, because we all know
most people won't follow the Golden Rule, which is about the only real "law"
we need. In other words, I agree with your last post... but I disagree about
the first in regards to science having as much factual evidence about the world
as the "good book": should I write an essay about it or will you look it up using
Google ? :-P

Science can, to an extent, explain where we have been, but not where we came from.

Law and religion have been intertwined since prerecorded history.

SoLiDUS · 06-10-2003, 08:02 AM

[quote:5fe41]Science can, to an extent, explain where we have been, but not where we came from. [/quote:5fe41]

Sure it can: it clearly says how atoms came together to form all we see
around us. How that matter came, though, is the only unknown keeping
religions alive... for the moment.

pest · 06-10-2003, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

[quote:bb45c]Science can, to an extent, explain where we have been, but not where we came from.

Sure it can: it clearly says how atoms came together to form all we see
around us. How that matter came, though, is the only unknown keeping
religions alive... for the moment.[/quote:bb45c]

But back to that beginning, it cant explain it. The matter has no orgin, and how did it become alive? Even if just for the moment, I stand by my statement. yo uhave to have as much faith to believe exclusively in science as you do to believe in religion.