[Unknown_Sniper]

god bless Morpheus.

[Duke_of_Ray]

[quote:ac412]
See? [/quote:ac412]

See what? Spot run? Its such a simple command God gives us, all we have to do i accept Him, how simple can it get? Beign saved is not about acts, but Faith and believing, not just doing good acts. SO you may not like that you have to give up a life of sin, but to get to Heaven thats what you have to do. We are all sinners, and I am a sinner saved by grace. No amount of acts will get you to Heaven, its by the grace of God.

[Old Reliable]

I would have to say I am mixed on religion. Being only 21 years old I have yet to experience the entire world and how much of an impact religion has on it, only then can I make a judgement based on other religions. Scientifically it seems impossible there is a God. HOwever, at times I find myself observing things that are difficult to explain AKA phenomena. I do enjoy going to church and singing, and am no way an atheist, just a wandering soul preparing to observe life.

[Oddball]

My view is this:
My heritage in terms of religion is Irish Catholic. The Irish were severly persecuted under the British but they still kept their faith to their religion. After hundreds of years of suffering the least I can do is have the same amount of faith in God as they did.
What would my ancestors say if they saw me scoffing at something that was more than just a religion to them? It would be heart wrenching to think that they held onto their faith in probably the toughest of times only to see that their descendants give up on God because there is no scientific proof.

There must be more to life that we just see it - so much more.

[Ydiss]

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":3ca8c][quote:3ca8c]
See? [/quote:3ca8c]

See what? Spot run? Its such a simple command God gives us, all we have to do i accept Him, how simple can it get? Beign saved is not about acts, but Faith and believing, not just doing good acts. SO you may not like that you have to give up a life of sin, but to get to Heaven thats what you have to do. We are all sinners, and I am a sinner saved by grace. No amount of acts will get you to Heaven, its by the grace of God.[/quote:3ca8c]

You failed completely to see my point, as I totally expected. I will not bother explaining it to you as you are far too blinkered by your faith to listen to anyone.

[[DAS REICH] Blitz]

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":06fe0]god bless Morpheus.[/quote:06fe0]you cant say god ur atheist... eek:

[Duke_of_Ray]

[quote:e103a]You failed completely to see my point, as I totally expected. I will not bother explaining it to you as you are far too blinkered by your faith to listen to anyone.[/quote:e103a]

Or is it you can not explain your point anymore?

[pest]

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":4239b][quote:4239b]
See? [/quote:4239b]

See what? Spot run? Its such a simple command God gives us, all we have to do i accept Him, how simple can it get? Beign saved is not about acts, but Faith and believing, not just doing good acts. SO you may not like that you have to give up a life of sin, but to get to Heaven thats what you have to do. We are all sinners, and I am a sinner saved by grace. No amount of acts will get you to Heaven, its by the grace of God.[/quote:4239b]

What he is saying is that he thinks it is quite arrogant to believe that your religion is the only one. What kind of God would choose just you and your church to enter paradise. Is God so vengful that he would let the majority of the world go to hell because they were born to a culture that wasnt predominantly christian?

When the ten commandments were handed down the first said "I am the lord your God, put not other Gods before me." This was the god of abraham, issac and moses. This was the god of the hebrews, the god of the old testament. This was Yahweh (sp?), Allah and the God of Jesus.

This is the difference in believing you find salvation thru acts or grace. I believe it is thru acts. Much of the distaste found for religions stems from the grace group. The attitude of "I can lie cheat and steal, as long as I go to church on sunday and profess my faith, I will be saved" along with the arrogance of "my way is the only way" really doesnt sit well with many people.

Thats what he meant by "See?"

[Low spark]

Well put Pest.


People who "believe" have a problem see out side of the views. And the find it easy to condem anyone that does not believe as they do. I remember a friend of mine telling me I was going to hell for questions the existence of God. Who gave him the right to condem me? God, the Blible, I don't think so. I think that he wanted to feel that he was superior to me because he believed. Religon can be a good thing, it can be a good guide through life, and give you hope of an afterlife, but when you put blinders on an say there is only one way and that is (insert religion of choice here) then you are missing out on the change to expand your mind and understand why man is where he is today.

[Duke_of_Ray]

[quote:806a5]What he is saying is that he thinks it is quite arrogant to believe that your religion is the only one. What kind of God would choose just you and your church to enter paradise. Is God so vengful that he would let the majority of the world go to hell because they were born to a culture that wasnt predominantly christian?

When the ten commandments were handed down the first said "I am the lord your God, put not other Gods before me." This was the god of abraham, issac and moses. This was the god of the hebrews, the god of the old testament. This was Yahweh (sp?), Allah and the God of Jesus.

This is the difference in believing you find salvation thru acts or grace. I believe it is thru acts. Much of the distaste found for religions stems from the grace group. The attitude of "I can lie cheat and steal, as long as I go to church on sunday and profess my faith, I will be saved" along with the arrogance of "my way is the only way" really doesnt sit well with many people.

Thats what he meant by "See?" [/quote:806a5]

Yes, yes, I know what he means. I was being sarcastic. :) The GOd I worshiop is not Allah, it is a diferent God, a real true loving God, not some insane not job that like to kill innocent people. Yes He is the GOd of the Hebrews, and also the God of all other races, no matter how much you want it to be, you are not going to Heaven thorugh acts of your own, well besides the act of accepting Jesus, other than that no act will get you to Heaven. Yes, believeing in Jesus is the only way, no other religion will get you there, if you do not believe me, just read the Bible and compare religions, just see what makes the most sense, why has nobody done this? Are you afraid? Just do I dare ya to. :)

[quote:806a5]People who "believe" have a problem see out side of the views. And the find it easy to condem anyone that does not believe as they do.[/quote:806a5]

It is not I that condem you, but the Lord Almighty. Im just trying to help you see the way, but its up to you. Im no better than anybody else in the world, but I do have Jesus, and that makes me saved and going to heaven. Have I ever question Gods exsistance? Yes, but then I pray or I do something and I ill get the reassurance that God does live. Satan gives us doubts and thoughts like these, but if you pray to God He will help you.

[pest]

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":f9971]

Yes, yes, I know what he means. I was being sarcastic. The GOd I worshiop is not Allah, it is a diferent God, a real true loving God, not some insane not job that like to kill innocent people. Yes He is the GOd of the Hebrews, and also the God of all other races, no matter how much you want it to be, you are not going to Heaven thorugh acts of your own, well besides the act of accepting Jesus, other than that no act will get you to Heaven. Yes, believeing in Jesus is the only way, no other religion will get you there, if you do not believe me, just read the Bible and compare religions, just see what makes the most sense, why has nobody done this? Are you afraid? Just do I dare ya to.
[/quote:f9971]

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all have the same roots. Christianity believes that Jesus is the Messiah. The other two believe he was a prophet. The jewish faith and islam split even more with the coming of Mohammed. So, to me, it is the same God, but worshipped differently. You should also try to to confuse muslim politics with the muslim faith. The Christian history is filled with much greater atrocities than the current politcal events. Thats back to the difference between religion and the church.

And I have read the Bible. And I have studied Christianity in a church sponsored setting as well as an academic and historical setting. I have also studied world religions. Its fascinating. It is why I completely disagree with statements like, "religion is a means to control simple minds." For the most part, most religions' messages are the same, its only the names and the rituals that differ.

[Ydiss]

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":9cac6]
Or is it you can not explain your point anymore?[/quote:9cac6]

No, it is not. I have explained it very well enough, already.

Nothing more could be gained through me spending any more time discussing it with you.

[Duke_of_Ray]

YEs there has been alot of wrong doing by the Christian CHRUCH in history, and this mainly being the cathoilic church. They went totally against the Bible, they where not acting for God, but for themselves. Islamis a religion of terror, inn the Koran it says to kill infidels, and Muhhamad was a terriost himself. Aslo you see, I dont worshiop the same God as muslims, becuase the God I worshiop is real and is the Father of Jesus, and Jesus is the Son, how can I be worshioping the same God when they donot believe Jesus is even His son? No, I worshiop the true God. I do worshiop the God of the Jews though, that is his chosen people, and Jesus is the messiah that came for the world. If you read the Bible, then you should see all the predictions about Jesus that came true, how could they get that right? Just a lucky guess? Islam is an obvious edited version of Christianity, one that promotes violence.

[pest]

I am gonna still disagree with you duke.

You can find all the excuses for violence that you want in the bible. There is the one story in the old testament, cant remember which book, kings maybe, where the isrealites came upon this village. They were able to convince all the men of this village to get circumsized. The next day, when all the men were too sore to do anything, they went in and slaughtered them all. Big victory and all because they were philistines.

Islam is not a religion of terror. It does not promote violence anymore than the bible promoted the violence of the crusades. It is the corrupt men beind the scenes that twist the teachings to suit their needs.

the bible did not inspire the Crusades, rulers of European kingdoms did.