[SS.SGW~Siggi]

I'm afraid I'm a gobshite and I don't pull any punches, that's just the way I am. I did the 'mature' thing for many years and used to send 'responsible' e-mails to publishers and developers, and got sick of the contempt they show for their customers when they simply ignored them. Now I try to give them a public hounding. When they deliberately lie to increase their sales I consider them fair game for payback.

If somebody makes a promise I expect it to have been made in good faith and to see it honoured. When it's not I'll speak my mind.

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Me senses the consumption of humble pie precipitated by second thoughts.
And if you believe hype then naivity is to blame.
In life i have never found that anticipation can match reality.
Looking forward to the game and the general whetting of appetites is all part of it....i still remember counting the days to Unreal being released only for it to get put back....by the time it came out it was never going to match up to my self imposed ridiculous fantaciful perception of how it would perform . Although in time and once it got patched it was great .

In any event ... how can a valued judgement be made before the game goes onsale?....32 player Omaha cant be a bad thing.

Verbal abuse of the dudes who have committed themselves to making this game is not constructive or helpful on any basis.
But in a way you seem to have conceded that point......dont flame me man as this is what opinions are all about??


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[Capt_CruncH]

A 7 yr olds take on MoHAA multiplayer obj maps.

[SS.SGW~Siggi]

What are you talking about Bytor? Second thoughts? Where?

As for anticipation never matching reality...got one word for you: Sturmovik.

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[Hellbaby2065]

Siggi:

Give respect when you are in someone's house. Right you you are in Alliedassault.com's house. You are disrespecting them, you are disrespecting their allies. (2015 and EA)

If you want respect you must also give it.

Until then, you will get the respect you have been giving.

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[SS.SGW~Siggi]

Oh god, that tired analogy again. It's not a house, it's a public space.

I have a board too, and I recognize the fact that having opened it to the public the public are entitled to have their say in it. I have never attempted to manipulate their opinions or steer the tone towards blind approval of Oleg's game. It's a public forum, for honest and open debate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again (as it applies to me too)...if a board owner isn't up to the job of allowing free speech he shouldn't be running a board in the first place.
And if you really think slagging a crap game equates to "dis-respecting" the owner of the place in which it is done I can only think of you as a naive kid. Do you really think EVERYone is going to be satisfied with 2015's standard of work? Some of us have been around games long enough to be able to recognize key components at a glance, and MoH's reek of amateurish hackery.

Give a kid eye-candy and he'll wet himself. Adults are a little more discerning and most of us see the difference between a year's worth of BS hype and the reality. I don't appreciate being bullshitted to for all that time, only to be badly disappointed at the end of a long wait.

Now one has to wonder what kind of mentality blindly cheer-leads for a bunch of strangers who fully intend to be driving around in Porsche-911's on the back of our hard-earned dollars, for a sub-standard product that they were either unable or not bothered to do properly. It's suckers like you who let them get away with it, and shaft those of us who clearly see what's going on, and has been going on in the western development houses for the past seven years.

So long as you kiss their arses they'll carry on doing it, and getting away with it.

Single player...by all accounts it should be possible to finish it in two days tops. Then what...oh yeah, a £20 expansion pack. £20 for something that should have shipped with the full game in the first place.

You are mugs, suckers and tools. The whole western games industry depends on suckers like you to fuel their phat salaries while they do the minimum possible for it. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee bud cos unless you and others do it'll only get worse.

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I used to have a 911 ... but then i got married .
LOL!

And m8...i remember the day Pong came out
so dont pull the "Old Skhool" lines to justify reasoning.

Other than that i enjoy your posts just dont agree with its intention , rationality and direction of intended recipient.
If so mature then why so much anger?
...skint and feeling a bit bitter man?

Ripped off in a business deal due to naivity?
See...i like inverted sarcasm .... many dont!




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[Ladmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>You are mugs, suckers and tools. The whole western games industry depends on suckers like you to fuel their phat salaries while they do the minimum possible for it. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee bud cos unless you and others do it'll only get worse.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


But you are still looking for a link to download this game for free. You'll complain on how bad it is, but still play it? To me that makes no sense. I sincerely hope that you do not believe that you'll be hurting EA or 2015 by downloading this game.

[jonesy-the-cat2]

I think expectations are a major part of this. I had no expectations. I came from playing UT and AvP, and this game is so much better. If you had never heard of this game until you tried it, what would be your opinion?

I know that how much I enjoy a movie is inversely proportionate to my expectations.

Did the guys who programmed it also do the marketing? Maybe your anger is more appropriately directed at ad execs rather than the game developers. I wrote a letter to the developers of RISK II because they managed to develop even worse AI than the previous version, while claiming everywhere that it was much improved. Even supposed unbiased 3rd party reviews made this false claim. Yet it was as if the developers had never played the game or consulted experienced players. I was so pissed I wrote a letter explaining the viewpoint of a long time fan of the game (i.e. their market). The responded saying basically 'too bad. we can't please everybody.' So I can understand being upset if you have been waiting a long time and being fed false hype.

[Sintax]

Hah, that's pretty good, Capt, but you really need to play a bit more multiplayer. I didn't have a problem with the maps and there are always ways around the chokepoints. Play with decent people, and try a few different servers, and make sure you know the maps. I found them all pretty good, and if you're smart enough, you can get around anything.

EDIT: Oh, and try not to play with a bunch of rocket fags. I really didn't encounter any in the server or two I was in today.

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[Capt_CruncH]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sintax:

Oh, and try not to play with a bunch of rocket fags. I really didn't encounter any in the server or two I was in today.

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I stop by here in between games, seems that alot of the servers playing the full version maps havent heard of the cheat-patch. Games tend to last 20 minutes or so before some ass ruins it.
I am dissapointed in the maps, but I know the modders are gonna be as dissapointed as I am and get to work immediatly on fixing the short comings of the maps.

*note to modders, remove the rockets completely and limit nades to 3 please. Thanks :P

[SS.SGW~Siggi]

Jonesy, you think this is better than AvP??? I thought that was a top game. No bugs, no flaws, the whole thing worked and played beautifully. We had months of fun with it on my LAN. In SP the Alien used to make me actually jump when it suddenly attacked unexpectedly.

Anyone played AvP2? How was it?

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[jonesy-the-cat2]

Sintax- What are you referring to? I am not complaining.

Siggi- Aliens Versus Predator was an awesome game. I played it on and off for around 2 years. It is quite a scary game. And yes, it was well-made. I have yet to purchase AvP2, but the demo is cool. It is more Quakelike than the original.

The thing is, I have really no problems with MoH either. I haven't noticed any bugs. And the gameplay call for more strategy and less high-speed bunny-hopping (although AvP was better in this respect than UT or Quake). I find MoH to be about as scary as AvP as I try to survive an objective game. AvP is boring to me now that I have played MoH.

The only 3 things I am concerned with are:
1) preventing cheating, because it ruins the whole game,
2) preventing intentional team killing while leaving ff enabled, and
3) bigger and better maps, particularly for objective games.

I think if 2015 doesn't take care of these then modders will. So the game is bound to be even better.

The way I look at it, if someone comes up with a good game, then I am pleased. Could it be better? Probably. In the future there will no doubt be better games. But for now it is one of the best around. So it is progress. If there was misleading hype, that is bothersome. Unfortunately, it is par for the course in marketing. I don't like it, but I didn't encounter it with MoH so I have no beef with them. I am sorry you did.


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[Quik]

I for one have played several of the MP maps with decent peeps and had a blast! Lots of different strategies come into play and with a good group, you'll have hours of entertainment. Maps are beautiful and have not come across any map/wall cheats, etc. Just my .02!

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[SS.SGW~Siggi]

Polaris, I think the developers are familiar with the term "The views of our posters are not neccessarily the ones of the board owners".

As for the "relationship" you have with 2015...have you ever heard of impartiality? The minute you begin tailoring your membership's opinions to fit in with a desire to be on-side with the developers is the moment you lose all credibility as a site to come to for honest and objective debate on the game.

The fact is we have been sold badly short on this game, and people thinking about buying it have a right to see both sides of the debate, not just the one that will get EA and 2015 more sales. If you wish to be nothing more than a site that promotes this game, regardless of it's shortcomings, advertise that fact on the front page of the site so that visitors know where they stand.

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