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Originally Posted by "Big Jake":34e7b
Tripper:
"Hmmmm - Where did he blame Rock Stars or Video Games? What I saw, was Moore just explaining that they were the typical scapegoats. I didn't ever hear him say it was their fault.
I think you need to watch it again, and actually concentrate."
He may have not come out and say it was their fault, just like he didn't come out and say that it was the U.S. Militarys fault. Even though he actually went in depth to see why they were the scape goats however, the way he portrayed them it was as though they were somehow responsible. By saying that their violent music may be 1 of the reasons why there is so much violence in America.
I think maybe you need to concentrate more as what is being said.
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Care to elaborate on "how he portrayed them"?
Because, as it is, I think that's pure bullshit.
[quote="Big Jake":34e7b]Tripper:
"Yeah, we all have free speech, sure. Let's examine who exercises their right to free speech:
KKK
Neo-Nazis
Black Panthers
Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson
.....Just because they exercise Free Speech, doesn't automatically make what they're saying appropriate."
Your list is pretty good except your missing 1 important group. THE PEOPLE.
Our Constitution clearly begins, "We THE PEOPLE"
Granted that since they do have the right of free speech doesn't make what they are saying appropriate who are you to say what is? Every Sunday in London, isn't there a park that were if anybody has something to say they stand up on little latters, soap Boxes etc and say it? Whether or not you agree with what they are saying thats your right. But its not your right to decided what is right to say and what isn't.
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WTF?
There is a difference between agreeing/disagreeing with a point being pushed, and, disagreeing/agreeing with whether or not it is insensitive to clearly state your points in certain contexts.
What if your mother was randomly shot dead, and the day after someone decided to come over to your house and say that "The bitch deserved it."
Would you appreciate that act of 'Free Speech?' I think not.
See? Sure people have free speech, but unless you want to come off as a total asshole, and hurt other people while doing so, you have to show some sensitivity when using it.
It fucking pisses me off when people do that fucking "Free Speech" shit, when its absolutely inappropriate, acting as if they're totally and morally right in doing so, because it is a human right. annoy:
....Remember, this is just generally talking about the 'I can say what I want when I want because of free speech,' debate. Not focused on BFC.[/quote:34e7b]
Tripper:
"WTF?
There is a difference between agreeing/disagreeing with a point being pushed, and, disagreeing/agreeing with whether or not it is insensitive to clearly state your points in certain contexts.
What if your mother was randomly shot dead, and the day after someone decided to come over to your house and say that "The bitch deserved it."
Would you appreciate that act of 'Free Speech?' I think not."
Big Jake:
I'm not talking about whether or not someone shot my mom. Nobody ever said that the kids in Columbine deserved what they got. (Except the Gunmen)
I have a cousin who went to Columbine and that day witnessed half of her class getting gunned down. She doesn't blame the NRA, she blames the 2 bastards who pulled the trigger. I'm clearly stating that everyone seems to want to blame society in general. Oh, its the NRA's fault this happened. Oh, its the Heavy Metal Music to blame, along with the video games, and the US Militarys fault since we were bombing the living shit out of Kosovo at that time. Yeah its the kids at Columbines fault for teasing and taunting those 2 into doing what they did.
I like Trey Parkers part in the movie, he said that everyone drills into kids heads now adays that "hey, if you are going to be a fuck up now, your going to be a fuck up your whole life."
Clearly that can also be given as a good reason. But in the end, the kids decided to do it. Nobody forced them to wake up that morning, get fully armed, walk into the school and start wasting people away. Its not like as though they woke up that morning, "Hey, lets go shoot people" No, this was planned, for weeks if not months. And for anyone to put the blame on anything but them is just retarted. If I go out and shoot your mom, who is to blame? Oh, wait, I listen to Metallica, I just had to fine someway to express my anger so I shot someone. Yeah, that isn't going to cut it. In the end, I'm responsible for my own actions Nobody is responsible for me.
Tripper:
"See? Sure people have free speech, but unless you want to come off as a total asshole, and hurt other people while doing so, you have to show some sensitivity when using it."
And as far as someone showing up saying "The bitch deserved it" Thats their opinion. Would I kick the shit out of them? yeah more in likely I will. But Everyone has an opinion whether or not you like it. You can disagree with them but don't try to censor their rights. The NRA didn't show up saying the Students deserved it. They showed up having their LEGAL RALLY promoting the OWNERSHIP of guns. Not the VIOLENCE but the OWNERSHIP. Big huge difference between the 2.
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