WWII stories?

JezusChr7st · 07-17-2001, 10:59 AM

so... figuired someone should start this... lets hear all of your WWII stories... be it from a relative... from word-of-mouth or some other source....

i would love to hear what everyone has to say

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Recycled Spooge · 07-18-2001, 12:20 AM

So, are you saing that the nazis are good? We all know that the soldiers were fighting for their country and they were not part of the nazi party but wouldn't they still support and agree with nazi ideology? I say yes they would!

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Gaddict · 07-18-2001, 12:36 AM

Getting back to stories. My Uncle was in the Pacific(not sure where this happened). He was with a squad of guys on patrol when they quielty came up to some Japanese in a house or hut. My Uncle snuck under the house while his buddies took perimeter around the house surrounding it. They then proceeded to fire shots in the air. When the Japanese troops ran out my Uncle got them out right after they ran out.

Another one of my Uncles was leading a patrol when he lead them into a ambush. He saw the ambush at the last second and tried to run away to warn his buddies. He was shot 4 times in the back by a machine gun and lived. He was captured and spent 6-8 months as prisoner. He was tortured and hung by his thumbs before he escaped. I still can't believe today that he lived through that and lived being shot four times in the back by a machine gun. I always enjoy talking about the war with him.

Bürgen · 07-18-2001, 12:45 AM

RS,

It is like if I were to say, "everyone in this country supported George W Bush durring the election, because he's presedent isn't he?"
Yes, quite a few supported the acts that the high command took, but just as many, if not more, did not agree with them. Many, many great german officers including Rommel and Peiper, denounced the nurumberg laws and their outcome, and refused to belong to the nazi party. They were just professionals doing a job, and both Rommel and Peiper did a damn good job!

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Recycled Spooge · 07-18-2001, 01:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bürgen:
RS,

It is like if I were to say, "everyone in this country supported George W Bush durring the election, because he's presedent isn't he?"
Yes, quite a few supported the acts that the high command took, but just as many, if not more, did not agree with them. Many, many great german officers including Rommel and Peiper, denounced the nurumberg laws and their outcome, and refused to belong to the nazi party. They were just professionals doing a job, and both Rommel and Peiper did a damn good job!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So, you say that about 50% supported the nazis, which is a lot more than what you said which was 0.001%. I would still say that it was probably more than 50% since the nazis took Germany out of a great depression.

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Prowler · 07-18-2001, 01:48 AM

It's a dictatorship, it's not perfect.

Partisan · 07-18-2001, 01:53 AM

I agree with Recycled Spooge. Burgen, as you said many officers and soldiers disagreed with Hitler, but majority didn't. It wasn't just Hitler and few of his supporters that invaded Poland, Czechoslovakia, France,etc., for that he needed support of whole population. And on the topic of Nuremberg laws, if many didn't support it why didn't they stand up and say something about it? Of course many were afraid, but one of the first rules of fascism is that dictator needs popular support to come to power and stay in it ( this is not me rumbling but stuff I learned at University). Hence majority( large one) agreed with Hitler ideas and methods!

P.S. Burgen don't be offended by you 'lean' too much to Nazy side ( all those signatures and pictures, like an old Nazy propaganda movie).
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Bürgen · 07-18-2001, 01:59 AM

You can't base an entire country off of the 1% that is in power. Did EVERY american before 1865 support slavery? By your logic, RS, certainly at least 51% did. Eventhough more than 65% of the US's population lived in the abolishonist north. I do not support or condone the 'holocaust', I just mean to say that it wasn't the #1 thing that dominated all of germany's soldiers' minds during WW2, most weren't even aware that it was going on! the same way that the nuclear-weapons program in the late 40's in the US was kept away from the public view (at least believe me on that one, a have a good friend who was in the US army at the time).

Bürgen · 07-18-2001, 02:07 AM

My gaud, talk to ANY german veteran and they'll tell you the same thing:
You can't protest something that you don't know is going on!

AND, Poland and czechoslovakia wouldn't even exist if it weren't for that TERRIBLE document called the Treaty of Versilles. The underlying reason for hitler comming into power and remaining supported was his and the NSDAP's disreguard for that piece of crap that germany didn't even have a say in. The conquest of these countries was just reclaiming land lost, illegaly, to germany and her allies after WWI. As for france, they rattled the saber first, they declared war first, germany just responded to the threat growing to their west the way they always had.

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Recycled Spooge · 07-18-2001, 02:11 AM

I'm not talking about the holocaust, I was reffering to the Germans thinking that they were superior to slavs and the Jews. This would have been part of nazi ideology. The Germans knew what was going on. They knew that synagogues were being burned, and they knew about the Krystallnacht. They saw propaganda movies and posters, and many of them agreed with it.

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Bürgen · 07-18-2001, 02:13 AM

BTW, almost all german veterans that I heve had the honour to speak with (that's a lot) have stated that their reason for joining the Heer(army), Kriegsmarine(Navy), Luftwaffe(airforce), or Waffen-SS(basicly the Marines, NOT the guys who ran the camps, that was the Totenkopf-verbande and the SD) was becuase their fathers had in WWI, the only thing that they had read about or heard was of how great and romantic it was to be in the military. They didn't sign up because they wanted to kill innocent people.

Partisan · 07-18-2001, 02:14 AM

Burgen while you on case of slavery in U.S., when did African-American population get full human rights in America? I don't believe it was right after the Civil War, maybe on paper but not in reality. What happened to South after the Civil war, it got integrated into the Union and that was it and African-Americans were treated as before, but on the paper they were not slaves. The point I'm making it is not what politicians are saying or what is official opinion of population, but what it is done in reality, in practice.
And Holocaust wasn't first thing in minds of German soldiers, but thought that all other ethnic and racial groups were inferior and that they deserved to be ruled or exterminated if they were rebelious or too 'unpure' ( eg. Jews, Slavs, Gypsies...).

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Recycled Spooge · 07-18-2001, 02:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bürgen:
My gaud, talk to ANY german veteran and they'll tell you the same thing:
You can't protest something that you don't know is going on!

AND, Poland and czechoslovakia wouldn't even exist if it weren't for that TERRIBLE document called the Treaty of Versilles. The underlying reason for hitler comming into power and remaining supported was his and the NSDAP's disreguard for that piece of crap that germany didn't even have a say in. The conquest of these countries was just reclaiming land lost, illegaly, to germany and her allies after WWI. As for france, they rattled the saber first, they declared war first, germany just responded to the threat growing to their west the way they always had.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, most of Czechoslovakia and Poland was Russia and Austria Hungary. You lose a war you lose land, and Germany didn't lose a lot of it, even though they lost the war. So consider yourself lucky.

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Partisan · 07-18-2001, 02:18 AM

Actually before the WW2 France was trying to please Germany. After the Kristalnacht france was only Western country that didn't criticize it.france was scared of Germany and was trying to avoid the war.

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Bürgen · 07-18-2001, 02:19 AM

Now, the night of broken glass has been WAY over represented in hisorical documents. It was not formally supported by the government and it was rather isolated. Only in München was it as bad as they show in all those propaganda reels (british press, not german by the way). I know many who were heartbroken to find out that their best friend was being made to move out of his house because he was Jewish, in particular a good friend who was in the Deutschejungvolk (the arm of the Hitler Youth for those between 9 and 14), He said,"Before that I didn't even know what a jew was."