[ShagNasty]

OTTAWA -- Canada's air force, as well as either the army or navy, will likely cease to exist around the end of this decade unless the federal government orders a massive infusion of cash, warns a Queen's University study to be released today.

In a scathing report: Canada Without Armed Forces?, researchers paint a gloomy picture about the country's defences.

If the situation isn't fixed, Canada will have trouble exerting control over its own territory, making a contribution to the international scene and repairing the country's damaged relationship with the U.S., the study concludes.

"The next government will be caught up in a cascading policy entanglement initiated by the rapid collapse of Canadian Forces core assets and core capabilities. This problem will inevitably disarm foreign policy as Canada repeatedly backs away from international commitments because it lacks adequate military forces."

If funding for new equipment continues to decline and is not increased, "then the air force will likely disappear through the 2008-2013 time-frame, and either the army or navy will disappear in the same time frame."

It recommends the direct intervention of incoming prime minister Paul Martin to halt the decline and begin to lay the groundwork for revitalizing the armed forces. It also states the defence budget should be boosted to $18.5 billion annually, up around $5 billion from present levels.

The report was produced by officials with the defence management studies program at Queen's University in collaboration with the Ottawa-based Conference of Defence Associations.

Doug Bland, who led the study, said the crisis in the military is so extensive that even if Martin earmarks a substantial amount of money for the Canadian Forces the situation would not change immediately.

"Even if he found $3 billion a year for the armed forces, it's not going to solve his problem because of the legacy he's been left with by Mulroney and Chretien," Bland, chairman of the defence management studies program said. "We ran out of armed forces."

He noted fixing the problem will take the efforts of Martin's government as well as the next. Bland predicted Martin will likely cut military capabilities to solve other problems he faces.

That will further hurt relations with the U.S., which has voiced concerns about Canada not pulling its weight in defence matters, he added.

It will also have a direct impact on Canadian sovereignty.

"The real cost to Canadians if this $18.5 billion allocation is not provided will be not simply a loss of international respect, but most likely the loss of control over most of Canada's territory and, ultimately, the forfeiting of national sovereignty," according to the study.

In the past, Defence Minister John McCallum has dismissed such reports, saying he does not take advice from retired senior officers and military analysts but from the Canadian Forces leadership. To counter such claims, Canada Without Armed Forces? relies heavily on the defence reports and statistics, as well as studies produced by the Senate and the Commons defence committee.

The study recommends a planned review of defence issues to deal immediately with the crisis and recommend ways in which current forces might be stretched and preserved until replacements become available.

[Sergeant_Scrotum]

lmao? do we really need to start this whole shithole of a debate over again? gtfo noob.annoy:

[Bucknub]

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[Zap. USMC]

Hah, I kind of find it funny myself... I won't lie rolleyes:

Canada will most likely raise it's budget. I don't think thier entire military will go under.

[ShagNasty]

lol I see why you guys didnt help us now in Iraq. Noob lmao I been here a very long time. Dont get mad its only a post. USA will protect your asses.

[[2ndS.S.]Enigma]

[quote="Cpt. Zapotoski":34f72]Hah, I kind of find it funny myself... I won't lie rolleyes:

Canada will most likely raise it's budget. I don't think thier entire military will go under.[/quote:34f72]

yea, they will probably throw out things that cost a lot to maintence(tanks and other stuff they should have) for crappy lavs...

But the thing is, do they really need an army?

[Zap. USMC]

Well Enigma I think every country should have some sort of "National Guard". Regardless if they are aggresive or not... remember what happened after World War One?? Everyone thought that was the war to end all wars... everyone de-militarized themselves. But, what do I know? lol

[ShagNasty]

I think he ment do they realy need an army. with USA right below them. They may hate us but we would help them in a heart beat.

[Maplegyver]

if lav's suck then why did the states buy them. i understand that using a lav as a mbt is a big mistake.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by ShagNasty

OTTAWA -- Canada's air force, as well as either the army or navy, will likely cease to exist around the end of this decade unless the federal government orders a massive infusion of cash, warns a Queen's University study to be released today.

In a scathing report: Canada Without Armed Forces?, researchers paint a gloomy picture about the country's defences.

If the situation isn't fixed, Canada will have trouble exerting control over its own territory, making a contribution to the international scene and repairing the country's damaged relationship with the U.S., the study concludes.

"The next government will be caught up in a cascading policy entanglement initiated by the rapid collapse of Canadian Forces core assets and core capabilities. This problem will inevitably disarm foreign policy as Canada repeatedly backs away from international commitments because it lacks adequate military forces."

If funding for new equipment continues to decline and is not increased, "then the air force will likely disappear through the 2008-2013 time-frame, and either the army or navy will disappear in the same time frame."

It recommends the direct intervention of incoming prime minister Paul Martin to halt the decline and begin to lay the groundwork for revitalizing the armed forces. It also states the defence budget should be boosted to $18.5 billion annually, up around $5 billion from present levels.

The report was produced by officials with the defence management studies program at Queen's University in collaboration with the Ottawa-based Conference of Defence Associations.

Doug Bland, who led the study, said the crisis in the military is so extensive that even if Martin earmarks a substantial amount of money for the Canadian Forces the situation would not change immediately.

"Even if he found $3 billion a year for the armed forces, it's not going to solve his problem because of the legacy he's been left with by Mulroney and Chretien," Bland, chairman of the defence management studies program said. "We ran out of armed forces."

He noted fixing the problem will take the efforts of Martin's government as well as the next. Bland predicted Martin will likely cut military capabilities to solve other problems he faces.

That will further hurt relations with the U.S., which has voiced concerns about Canada not pulling its weight in defence matters, he added.

It will also have a direct impact on Canadian sovereignty.

"The real cost to Canadians if this $18.5 billion allocation is not provided will be not simply a loss of international respect, but most likely the loss of control over most of Canada's territory and, ultimately, the forfeiting of national sovereignty," according to the study.

In the past, Defence Minister John McCallum has dismissed such reports, saying he does not take advice from retired senior officers and military analysts but from the Canadian Forces leadership. To counter such claims, Canada Without Armed Forces? relies heavily on the defence reports and statistics, as well as studies produced by the Senate and the Commons defence committee.

The study recommends a planned review of defence issues to deal immediately with the crisis and recommend ways in which current forces might be stretched and preserved until replacements become available.

we would rather get rid of it. Then moouch if off the fuck of you. b00n

[ShagNasty]

What an asshate to quote all that. and if it was up to me we would invade your ass, and hunt you down like we did Saddam. Punk, thats some one who sucks dick for cigs in prison.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by ShagNasty

What an asshate to quote all that. and if it was up to me we would invade your ass, and hunt you down like we did Saddam. Punk, thats some one who sucks dick for cigs in prison.

its ok, we don't need a military. Like i said all we have is right under our Feet. biggrin: Thkz for the free stuff cya later.

[Machette]

Why don't we need to calmdown: , I didnt get offeneded reading this guys posts and I am a Canadian.

[ShagNasty]

I wasnt trying to offend any one.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by ShagNasty

I wasnt trying to offend any one.

then maybe you should have voiced your opinion about it. Fluanting it in front of us like a peice of meat we, kinda get pissed off.