Omaha Beach&Respawns - Page 2

josh88 · 02-01-2002, 02:55 AM

I read that they're trying to simulate the next wave of higgens boats coming in.

madrebel · 02-01-2002, 02:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mizat0:
axis had even closer and more effective starting location on June 4 then that what is in the game(they were on the mgs far before the doors in the higgins boat open), although the allies greatly outnumbered the germans also.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

see this is one of the problems with this game.

it attracts such a wide range of players. one being this type that thinks the real life ww2 has something to do with gameplay in MOHAA.

It doesnt and shouldnt.

m0neY_EQ · 02-01-2002, 10:58 AM

This is all i have to say multi omaha beach is cheap. i have played both sides of the coin and the allies will never win if the axis are not terribly outnumbered or complete noobs. this is not a rant and im not mad about it i just think its funny when i (as allies teammember) get to the gun kill someone then they spawn right back and kill me within 5 sec maybe less all depends on where they spawn. maybe the objective is too close to axis spawn points.

I have seen allies win not because we played so good but becuase axis played bad and was outnumbered. Remeber history allies won that battle and took the beach no reason axis spwns should be so close to objective maybe a death penalty( you die you wait a couple second to come back ) would be nice for this map only.

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Sotilas Jane · 02-01-2002, 11:13 AM

Disagreed. This also can be said vice versa. If Allies have better players the map can be totally owned by them. The ideal situation would be good TEAMPLAY, that way I'd say its 50/50. Allies really have to work as an team against good players, same of course goes to axis too.. whatever

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m0neY_EQ · 02-01-2002, 11:22 AM

lke i said if you play teamwork and axis does too you lose. i challenge you to play with me . ill be on axis with my freinds you will never ever win if team are even for one simple fact. If i kill you ,you spawn at water or beach far from gun. IF i die im at the objective almost ever time plus its so easy to spawn camp the allies its not even funny we can pin you down so noone gets in so easy to camp the front door and camp the side entrance where the mg42 is even if you mange to get to gun you wont be there for long then you will have to try to run all the way back up

Another fact when you play in a omaha beach game i bet money the axis top four players will have alot of kills way more than allies top 4 why? becuase its easier to defend and camp esp when the spawns are out of whack. If they had a flag like wolfenstein ( not comparing the 2 games i loike MOH better) where you control a spawn point would be much better for this map.

All the rest of the maps i fell are great even for both, omaha is not.

As said before Axis will not lose IF they are not noobies and are not outrageously outnumbered.When i play axis i hve sooamny kills its ridculous vs good players and when the role is reversed( they are axis im allis ) the tables turn, just the way the map is its easier to kill from the Axis position
1 they HAve height advantage EVERYWHERE.
2They spawn very close to objective.
3 you spawn far from objective
noway you can say map is even for both sides

when you see me holla Enemy@TheG@te.

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Sotilas Jane · 02-01-2002, 11:29 AM

I still dont think that is true. It is maybe not the easiest map for the allies but its not overly unbalanced either. The Axis are the defenders, it is natural that they have light advantage at the start. But when the game flows and centers more to the bombs and not the beach the odds even. It's not so easy to defend against allie squads that pour from every possible pathway, infact it is really hard. And so, you die and spawn near again, after that you're a lonewolf for awhile before you group again, and in that state I am afrraid you're very easy pray for a allies squad. I'd say Omaha is one of the most strategic map that is in the game, you just have to work in a organised team and pour in from every possible entrance.

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m0neY_EQ · 02-01-2002, 11:36 AM

look there is only 2 ways to get inside not many only 5 ways to get to top level not many esp when 3 of them are right next to one gun pour in? You are assuming that you team of assualter will kill the defenders ....and in your post you said if allies ahve better players, but if you read my post i said axis wilnot lose IF ther are not outnumberebed and are not noobies.
Or what about this everyone just camp a door you will be hardpressed to get out even with teamwork i dont care who you have a team of axis defendeding well will not lose. most games that axis lose like i said they are out#ed or the noobies keep trying to snipe allies when they heard the timer go off. Im a video gamejunky i played MOHAA since demo 1st came out and got the game on the 22 of jan and even caled off 2 days work to play MOH all day ( i have vacation time) just tell me this then who wins more of the beach map axis or allies under the condition i said ( they are not out#ed 2 to 1 and are not noobies). i will be playing all this weekend too.

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Fett_72 · 02-01-2002, 11:45 AM

Omaha's the map I look for whenever I start up All Seeing Eye, and I've played it on both sides. I still like the map, I don't find it one sided at all, unlike a lot of people seem to believe.

As an Allied soldier, just make sure you go in with one or two other guys and have an itchy trigger finger. Only once or twice have I ever seen someone spawn right beside me when I was defending, and yes, that does suck. But for the majority when you're defending if you watch all the approaches to the cannon and use nades well, you can hold the position well. If all else fails, hide beside it, wait till you hear a guy come to defuse and pop up and shoot him.

Remember the main objective of destroying a cannon: When it goes kaboom, you've completed that part of the mission. Nothing else matters. All you have to do is stay alive until it goes up, nobody's gonna be dumb enough to defuse while an enemy's right there.

Sotilas Jane · 02-01-2002, 11:47 AM

The point is there that defenders cant just all be in two or three places. If they are, then sooner or later some group will break thru that (assuming the teams are equals in numbers and skills). They just cant then anymore camp on the stairs or whatever, they have to break apart too to defened different positions and locations, meanwhile more and more allies can pour in cause the beach and stairs are not so well guarded anymore. thats where the different squads come to play, defenders have to move. As I have seen, the game starts the way that Axis controls the beach and entrances, but when game goes on their defence all the time gets more and more centered around the turrets, it is not snap of fingers to defend in Omaha beach, if and when you play against well organised teamplayers.

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m0neY_EQ · 02-01-2002, 11:53 AM

That sound good in theory........Like I said who wins more? AXIS. played the map about 50 times i speak from expereince not theory. Have seen allies win but NEVER EVER with even teams (#of players and skill level) There are some good servers on right now lets test this you be allies on beach. wanna play?

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Sotilas Jane · 02-01-2002, 11:56 AM

Have you ever yet really seen a really good teamplay?

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collinr58 · 02-02-2002, 12:03 AM

to win this map u must use TEAMYWORKY

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hey don't point that at me hey hey what u doin? AIGH TEAM KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mizat0 · 02-02-2002, 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by mizat0:
axis had even closer and more effective starting location on June 4 then that what is in the game(they were on the mgs far before the doors in the higgins boat open), although the allies greatly outnumbered the germans also.
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posted by Madrebel:
see this is one of the problems with this game.

it attracts such a wide range of players. one being this type that thinks the real life ww2 has something to do with gameplay in MOHAA.

It doesnt and shouldnt.
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Madrebel, I wasn't arguing the fact that the game should most closely resemble world war II at all costs and should sacrifice the gameplay. I was just stating the fact that the Allies had greater numbers then the germans and that was the main reason they were successful in capturing the beaches of Normandy. In MOHAA the two sides basically always have equal numbers . The experience would be better if their was a lock on how many should join the Axis so the Allies always had more numbers and that as soon as the Allies stepped on the beach there would be at least two or three mg-42s in usage.

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Stony · 02-02-2002, 12:19 AM

Anyone play Omaha with the sniper mod? It removes the Allied sniper rifle and replaces it with the M1 if you choose it. This way the Axis players can actually man the MG42's and the Allies will have to be a crack-shot in order to knock off the players manning the machine guns.

Without the mod nobody goes near the 42's without getting picked off, which I think is disappointing because they are an integreal part of preventing the Allies from advancing up the beach.

Just last nite I was playing on a public server that wasn't using the mod, and as long as there were Allied snipers present I picked them off no matter where they hid. After a while someone on Allied team was saying "F*** YOU let us get off the beach sniping whore". (Nobody could get to the bunkers even after respawning at the shingle)

My reply: "As long as Allies are sniping, I'll do what it takes to discourage it. If no Allies snipe, then I'll move to the MG 42's, but not until then."

I've played as both Allies and Axis on Omaha maps using the sniper mod, and I think it makes the gameplay so much better.

m0neY_EQ · 02-02-2002, 02:13 AM

AMEN madrebel.

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