Nuclear War. - Page 4

Drew · 08-27-2004, 11:38 PM

[quote="Short Hand":7a22d]Now correct me if im wrong here noc, i dont want to get into a fight about fucking uranium shells.

This article claims it has a 60 % radioActive comparision to its un depleted cousin.

Now this stuff is "harmless when in shells true" What I think is true is that this stuff "becomes dangerous" when it forms into the aerosol form, which happens on impact, this by product of the shot is the dangerous part The stuff that causes radio activity.

I would hope the scientists and all the arthors behind this stuff are not raving fanatical idiots. I don't want to fight about this shit either just trying to clear things up.[/quote:7a22d]

Yeah, I'm not trying to argue or anything.

Basically, what you need to take from it is this:

DU has only 60% the radiation content of natural uranium. Now, of that 60%, 99.8% of it is 238U, which is harmless alpha radiation. 0.002% of it is 234U which is the more harmful beta/gamma radiation. However, you absorb more radiation by standing in the sunlight for 60 seconds. Probably the most significant number is the .2% 235U content, which is also an emitter of the more harmful beta/gamma rays. However, again, the amount of 235U is so miniscule that you absorb more radiation from sunlight each day than you would from exposure to a DU round or affected water supply.

Short Hand · 08-27-2004, 11:51 PM

Umm... Noc thats not really it. (lets not fight about this)

[quote:432b1]
What is Depleted Uranium?
The misnamed 'Depleted' Uranium is left after enriched uranium is separated from natural uranium in order to produce fuel for nuclear reactors. During this process, the fissionable isotope Uranium 235 is separated from uranium. The remaining uranium, which is 99.8% uranium 238 is misleadingly called 'depleted uranium'. While the term 'depleted' implies it isn't particularly dangerous, in fact, this waste product of the nuclear industry is 'conveniently' disposed of by producing deadly weapons.

Depleted uranium is chemically toxic. It is an extremely dense, hard metal, and can cause chemical poisoning to the body in the same way as can lead or any other heavy metal. However, depleted uranium is also radiologically hazardous, as it spontaneously burns on impact, creating tiny aerosolised glass particles which are small enough to be inhaled. These uranium oxide particles emit all types of radiation, alpha, beta and gamma, and can be carried in the air over long distances. Depleted uranium has a half life of 4.5 billion years, and the presence of depleted uranium ceramic aerosols can pose a long term threat to human health and the environment. [/quote:432b1]

Its not the radiactivity that killz people, its the chemicals whicn it puts into the enviroment which people ingest into themselves which causes the bad things. Breathing eating etc. These toxins cause the problems, not the radio activity, so it is not so "harmless" as your saying really. This toxin / poisoning is the main threat of the product.

Himmler · 08-28-2004, 12:06 AM

i didnt read thsi whole thread, but im going to put in my input...

I agree, it is a bad thing, but there isn't much we can really do about it. If it helps us beat our enemies, and saves thousands of lives, such as winning the war becasue of it, it doesn't bother me. Also, us as a people can do absolutely nothing about it. There is no way we could stop the Gov from using depleted uranium. You can complain as much as you want, but i doubt it will have ANY effect on the gov.

Short Hand · 08-28-2004, 12:13 AM

^ Im not so sure, disgruntled vet's who suffer from this stuff, and out raged citizens have more power then ya think biggrin:

Mustard Man · 08-28-2004, 12:14 AM

Attention everyone I personally don't give a fuck. Thought you would like to know.

Himmler · 08-28-2004, 12:19 AM

[quote="Mustard Man":30ef2]Attention everyone I personally don't give a fuck. Thought you would like to know.[/quote:30ef2]

we dont care.

thats true short hand. but, i have yet to hear of ANY vets who suffer from

"depleted uranium sickness" sleeping:

Mustard Man · 08-28-2004, 12:21 AM

I'm gonna go shoot a nigra

strvs · 08-28-2004, 12:33 AM

[quote="Mustard Man":88b30]I'm gonna go shoot a nigra[/quote:88b30]
WOW, can you really say that on the internet?

Fucken touch guy, here.

Short Hand · 08-28-2004, 12:33 AM

[quote=Himmler]

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Mustard Man":5be60

Attention everyone I personally don't give a fuck. Thought you would like to know.

we dont care.

thats true short hand. but, i have yet to hear of ANY vets who suffer from

"depleted uranium sickness" sleeping:[/quote:5be60]

I watched a special a year back on cbc, or naother american network, I forget, they did a special on a tank crew man who was suffering directly from this ammunition. He was dieing and looked like he was in pain, he was pale and really fucking skinny.

Mustard Man · 08-28-2004, 12:36 AM

That's great!

Unknown_Sniper · 08-28-2004, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis

The Department of Energy has recently reported that the DU used by DOD in its armor plates (found only on "Heavy Armor" Abrams tank models) may contain trace levels of transuranics (neptunium, plutonium, and americium) and fission products (technetium-99). The DU used in munitions may also contain these materials. The military services are testing the stocks of DU munitions and parts. The levels of transuranics and fission products found during testing of the material used for producing armor packages are in minute quantities (the picocurie/gram range) and result in less than a one percent increase in the internal radiation dose. These evaluations indicate that measures designed to protect personnel from the DU itself are adequate to protect them from the traces of transuranics and fission products as well.

Miller dont lick the side of your Tank.

Short Hand · 08-28-2004, 01:32 AM

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":e093b]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis

The Department of Energy has recently reported that the DU used by DOD in its armor plates (found only on "Heavy Armor" Abrams tank models) may contain trace levels of transuranics (neptunium, plutonium, and americium) and fission products (technetium-99). The DU used in munitions may also contain these materials. The military services are testing the stocks of DU munitions and parts. The levels of transuranics and fission products found during testing of the material used for producing armor packages are in minute quantities (the picocurie/gram range) and result in less than a one percent increase in the internal radiation dose. These evaluations indicate that measures designed to protect personnel from the DU itself are adequate to protect them from the traces of transuranics and fission products as well.

Miller dont lick the side of your Tank.[/quote:e093b]

biggrin: lol.

[DAS REICH] Blitz · 08-28-2004, 06:44 AM

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":e7e25]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis

The Department of Energy has recently reported that the DU used by DOD in its armor plates (found only on "Heavy Armor" Abrams tank models) may contain trace levels of transuranics (neptunium, plutonium, and americium) and fission products (technetium-99). The DU used in munitions may also contain these materials. The military services are testing the stocks of DU munitions and parts. The levels of transuranics and fission products found during testing of the material used for producing armor packages are in minute quantities (the picocurie/gram range) and result in less than a one percent increase in the internal radiation dose. These evaluations indicate that measures designed to protect personnel from the DU itself are adequate to protect them from the traces of transuranics and fission products as well.

Miller dont lick the side of your Tank.[/quote:e7e25]I wanna lick the side of your tank happy: ed: