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Coleman · 10-01-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Noctis

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Originally Posted by Bleuachdu

Kerry won the debate, but not on substance. He delivered his points eloquently in a cool calm and collected manner. Bush looked distracted, hesitant and tired. Kerry certainly didn't completely dominate Bush as some of you seem to think; in fact Kerry was inconsistent (who'd have guessed?) with his overall theme and message. Bush stood strong with his points, which will score high with a lot of people. Kerry tried to bust him on this with the "evaluative approach" which was somewhat trivial.

Still, in the end, Kerry edges Bush in this debate. If GW would have had his act together and not run out of material near the end, he would've been the victor. Kerry also "wins" this debate by not losing. In other words, If he would've gotten killed tonight, the election would've essentially been over.

Short Hand - you're a smelly putrid cunt. Enjoy your time on earth as an average, marginal, and vapid sheep.

PS - I'm really sick of youth centered liberal elitism... I had a good conversation with my roommate about this the other day. I may start a thread next few days when i can put my thoughts together.

I agree with you in saying that GW didn't win, but I don't agree that Kerry really won either. I think that, having just watched recaps on some things I missed, that they ended up pretty even. Neither really had a knockout, nor did either really fall apart on anything. I have a feeling that the debates are going to be too close to call the election.

EDIT:: Also, if by Youth Centered Liberal Elitism, you mean the current idea that it's "cool" to be a Liberal thanks to sites like PunkVoter and MoveOn, then we definitely agree. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it.

not to mention liberal MTV and the actors/singers that scream "I am voting for Kerry. Do the same to be cool......ps buy my albums"

Pick Axe · 10-01-2004, 10:55 PM

[quote:2b8b3]not to mention liberal MTV and the actors/singers that scream "I am voting for Kerry. Do the same to be cool......ps buy my albums"[/quote:2b8b3]

LOL, so true

Short Hand · 10-01-2004, 10:56 PM

So you have no problem with all of the Pro Kerry supporters, yet limousine liberals piss you off ? Im sorry, they both have the right and obligation to state their opinion. Whether they are Pro Bush Or Pro Kerry.

Conscript · 10-01-2004, 10:57 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/resul ... ntent.html

jesus fucking christ..owned oOo:

Coleman · 10-01-2004, 10:58 PM

[quote="Short Hand":11a30]So you have no problem with all of the Pro Kerry supporters, yet limousine liberals piss you off ? Im sorry, they both have the right and obligation to state their opinion. Whether they are Pro Bush Or Pro Kerry.[/quote:11a30]I never said they're wrong to state their opinions. I'm just saying that MTV leans to the left when it comes to politics and celebrities. you can't deny that MTV shows liberal views.

Drew · 10-01-2004, 10:59 PM

"Politically-charged music," aka anything that bashes George Bush, has become the "cool" new thing to do. What I guess irritates me is that this music tends to get a HUGE amount of play time because all the 13-15 year olds call the radio station ten times an hour requesting the songs. These kids have NO clue what they are talking about, and just think it sounds cool. The next thing you know, you are listening to the radio or watching TV and this kind of thing is everywhere and you'd think that it's because it reflects the majority of the population. But in fact, it's being driven by an extremely narrow demographic that can't even vote.

Drew · 10-01-2004, 11:00 PM

[quote="Short Hand":47fb1]So you have no problem with all of the Pro Kerry supporters, yet limousine liberals piss you off ? Im sorry, they both have the right and obligation to state their opinion. Whether they are Pro Bush Or Pro Kerry.[/quote:47fb1]

I didn't say ANYTHING about the diplomats being Liberal. They could be Facist for all I care. I was just driving my point that the UN is an international pissing contest and a waste of time.

Drew · 10-01-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Conscript

http://edition.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/13581.content.html

jesus fucking christ..owned oOo:

That has nothing to do with people linking to polls in the PunkVoter and MoveOn.org forums whatsoever.

Short Hand · 10-01-2004, 11:01 PM

[quote=Coleman]

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Originally Posted by "Short Hand":a9894

So you have no problem with all of the Pro Kerry supporters, yet limousine liberals piss you off ? Im sorry, they both have the right and obligation to state their opinion. Whether they are Pro Bush Or Pro Kerry.

I never said they're wrong to state their opinions. I'm just saying that MTV leans to the left when it comes to politics and celebrities. you can't deny that MTV shows liberal views.[/quote:a9894]

so, fox news pours out conservative views, I really fail how you see the liberal media having some sort of advantage. + From what I have seen of mtv, i hardly would consider it a propagANDA for the liberal agenda.

Short Hand · 10-01-2004, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Noctis

"Politically-charged music," aka anything that bashes George Bush, has become the "cool" new thing to do. What I guess irritates me is that this music tends to get a HUGE amount of play time because all the 13-15 year olds call the radio station ten times an hour requesting the songs. These kids have NO clue what they are talking about, and just think it sounds cool. The next thing you know, you are listening to the radio or watching TV and this kind of thing is everywhere and you'd think that it's because it reflects the majority of the population. But in fact, it's being driven by an extremely narrow demographic that can't even vote.

besides green days american idiot. I hardly see that much politically charged pro kerry music. FOX news is a much bigger problem then this. Any network that gives a guy like O Reilly air time si out of touch.

Drew · 10-01-2004, 11:04 PM

[quote="Short Hand":3e3ad][quote=Coleman]

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Originally Posted by "Short Hand":3e3ad

So you have no problem with all of the Pro Kerry supporters, yet limousine liberals piss you off ? Im sorry, they both have the right and obligation to state their opinion. Whether they are Pro Bush Or Pro Kerry.

I never said they're wrong to state their opinions. I'm just saying that MTV leans to the left when it comes to politics and celebrities. you can't deny that MTV shows liberal views.[/quote:3e3ad]

so, fox news pours out conservative views, I really fail how you see the liberal media havign some sort of advantage. + From what I have seen of mtv, i hardly would consider it a propagANDA for the liberal agenda.[/quote:3e3ad]

Conservatives have Fox News. Liberals have CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, MTV, VH1, Comedy Central, etc etc.

Don't try and give me any lines about the media being balanced.

Pick Axe · 10-01-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Conscript

http://edition.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/13581.content.html

jesus fucking christ..owned oOo:

A poll done by an amazingly libral media corporation. But, the people that voted in that were obviosly biased.

a quick google search, I found a ton of poll still ongoin for the first debate between Al Gore and George Bush oOo:

And, interesting: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/ ... guest.html

Pick Axe · 10-01-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Noctis

Conservatives have Fox News. Liberals have CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, MTV, VH1, Comedy Central, etc etc.

Don't try and give me any lines about the media being balanced.

^^^

Bleuachdu · 10-01-2004, 11:06 PM

Yes that’s pretty much the gist of what I'm talking about. Even more so, the "elitism" stems from our nations youth focusing their energy not on being pro-Kerry, but on being anti-Bush.

You aren't hip unless you like Michael Moore and hate GW Bush. Do we see this with young conservatives? I have yet to see an "anti-Kerry" rally or march or walk organized in Detroit. We started talking about this the other night because in one of the parks downtown there is a "Walk Against Bush."

Maybe it’s because liberals are typically younger and more mobile than conservatives. But honestly, I'm sick of all the negativity. Isn't that just slightly hypocritical? Traditionally, we think of liberals being the caring, concerned, compassionate people who strive for social equality and fairness. So how do the anti-government/bush protests fit into that mold?

I could keep going, but I'm too tired to write much more. The point is this; being supportive of your parties platform and candidate seems to be the logical step towards change. Why waste time bashing? In that same vein, why use the bashing as propaganda to form elitist and superior factions? It doesn’t seem to follow what would be considered traditional liberal values.

Short Hand · 10-01-2004, 11:07 PM

[quote=Noctis][quote="Short Hand":13f2e]

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Originally Posted by Coleman

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Originally Posted by "Short Hand":13f2e

So you have no problem with all of the Pro Kerry supporters, yet limousine liberals piss you off ? Im sorry, they both have the right and obligation to state their opinion. Whether they are Pro Bush Or Pro Kerry.

I never said they're wrong to state their opinions. I'm just saying that MTV leans to the left when it comes to politics and celebrities. you can't deny that MTV shows liberal views.

so, fox news pours out conservative views, I really fail how you see the liberal media havign some sort of advantage. + From what I have seen of mtv, i hardly would consider it a propagANDA for the liberal agenda.[/quote:13f2e]

Conservatives have Fox News. Liberals have CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, MTV, VH1, Comedy Central, etc etc.

Don't try and give me any lines about the media being balanced.[/quote:13f2e]

are you fucking kidding me ?

CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC.. Liberal ? what is this some sort of conspiracy thoery against the conservative America ? gimme a break man. Your turning into a paranoid Rumm's here.