[Swill]

http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20041011/index.html


Very cool I think, only downside is that its PCI-E but its only 100$

[Akuma]

AGP version will be released later. It's about god damn time that the low-end card can actually perform. It's been years since the low end cards have been anything but shit.




Not that I'd ever buy one. <3 6800GT @ 421/1100

[mr.miyagi]

I'm currently planning on buying a new PC although I would've got the ati x700 already if it had been AGP.....damn it.

I'm going for 3.0 to 3.4 ghz, 512 ddr ram, over 120gb HD and the graphics card can be upgraded at a later date, same goes for the monitor. I've been looking on ebay too, hopefully I'll find a system soon.

btw budget = £350

[Akuma]

6600GT > X700



Both will be released in AGP form.

[Swill]

Originally Posted by Akuma

6600GT > X700



Both will be released in AGP form.

yep...

There`s a recent article about those two head to head @ http://www.hardocp.com

I dont know why people still think Nvidia blows compared to ATI but Nvidia is doing a damn good job with their new line of geforce 6`s...

[Drew]

Okay, I'm a noob, but I'm asking anyway.

What is involved in making your computer PCI-E compatible? New motherboard?

[geRV]

Originally Posted by Noctis

Okay, I'm a noob, but I'm asking anyway.

What is involved in making your computer PCI-E compatible? New motherboard?

Yup

[Drew]

That's some shit. I'd go check Pricewatch for the price, but I don't know which MBs support PCI-E. Any estimates?

[geRV]

Originally Posted by Swill1496

yep...

There`s a recent article about those two head to head @ http://www.hardocp.com

I dont know why people still think Nvidia blows compared to ATI but Nvidia is doing a damn good job with their new line of geforce 6`s...

Basically ati have been whooping that ass for the last few years with the 9700,9800-9800xt, people come to know who the market leader is and even when the competition get out a good card it takes quite some time for word of mouth to get around that theyre back in contention.

[Miscguy]

Not only that gerv its that the high end, top of the line, king of the hill, cards made by each company that are often the ones refered to most when compairing companies. This time around ATi's is better than Nvidia's, so most people feel that the lower end cards produced by ATi will be better. It may not be the case, you really have to look at each card your considering to purchase and balence it against a same level card from the competition.

Also loctis, dont worry about PCI-E yet. Most video cards cant even use up the 8x agp bandwidth. What they'll do with 16x is more future based and has more to do with line in video editing. As foreseen by people "in the know".

[Greg_Di]

fuck it, already got my 6800 td overclocked to an ultra, low-end cards suck the_finger:

[Maplegyver]

jesduejesdue

[Swill]

[quote="Greg_Di":b35b0]fuck it, already got my 6800 td overclocked to an ultra, low-end cards suck the_finger:[/quote:b35b0]

td? heh...


Miscguy "Not only that gerv its that the high end, top of the line, king of the hill, cards made by each company that are often the ones refered to most when compairing companies. This time around ATi's is better than Nvidia's, so most people feel that the lower end cards produced by ATi will be better. It may not be the case, you really have to look at each card your considering to purchase and balence it against a same level card from the competition.

Also loctis, dont worry about PCI-E yet. Most video cards cant even use up the 8x agp bandwidth. What they'll do with 16x is more future based and has more to do with line in video editing. As foreseen by people "in the know". "

Dude you are all wrong, of course ATI is kicking ass as well, but Nvidia is right where they should be and they are.....Every single benchmark you look at from another site you will see ati and nvidia neck to neck or ati take a big lead in something and then nvidia takes a big lead in something...both are extremely doing good right now. From what you are saying it sounds like you are a fan of ATI and thats fine but from saying that Nvidia is worse is not entirely true, Nvidia has been around longer is more known and has just as good gpu`s as your ATI company. Enough said... [url="http://www.hardocp.com"]http://www.hardocp.com[/url] http://www.tomshardware.com http://www.anandtech.com all say same as what I am saying.... now for a fact I believe the Geforce 5***`s series against the 9600 ,9200,9100,9800,9800 xt series of course I believe the ATI has gained the battle but now NVIDIA has come back and are kicking ass.

[Akuma]

6800s are actually ahead of the X800 series in the majority of tests with the current driver release. Next driver release, ATI will have a 1 FPS lead, then Nvidia and back and forth until the next generation.

The thing I find most amuzing about this current generation is that HL2 was supposedly built for the X800 series, yet the 6800s beat it in almost every HL2/CSS test.

But going with either company at almost any price range is a win. Although ATI's low end sucks really bad so far.

This is how I feel the current gen is broken down.


>$500 : X800XT-PE is ahead of 6800U is the majority of tests but they are both too close to call one a winner over the other.
$400 : 6800GT thoroughly beats X800 Pro in every test. No contest here.
$300 : 6800 is the only card here other than the 9800XT. Pretty obvious which to go with.
$200-250 : 6600GT or X700. Both are neck and neck with 6600GT pulling ahead slightly. 9800 Pro is also a viable option.
>$100 : 6200 is the only option here. X600/300 performs worse and costs more...
<$100 : You gotta be fucking kidding me.

[geRV]

Counterstrike source no matter what way you slice it is NOT halflife 2. Same engine yes, completly different game. CS has a small handfull of the effects used in hl2, and as far as im aware in the VST ati is still far ahead of nvidia.

Cs is a game thats always been playable on a ton of systems, for source they wanted to keep it that way. It has upgraded graphics because lets face it, it fucking needed them. And has some physics and a handfull of dx9 effects tossed in. Now compare what you see in counterstrike source to the hl2 HDR bink exe file. The effects in hl2 going by that at least are a shitload more noticable and are used more frequently than in source.

At best basing judgements on how a card is gonna perform in hl2 by drawing numbers from cs:source is retarded. Hl2 has a lot more geometry, larger levels, loads more effects, a lot more to the physics system, ai enemies and npc's running around.

You could basically draw this comparrison, hl2 is call of duty:uo and cs:source is quake 3, bottom line is cod:uo has more effects going on, more detailed models etc, quake 3 is more simplistic, less effects, not as hi res models. Theyre both on the same engine yes, do you get quake 3 frame rates with cod:uo? No

Nothing can be compared untill the game is actually out. Halflife 2 was not built for the x800 series, it was meant to be out last year, and last year nvidia could not keep pace with the 9800 which was shitkicking them at every turn. The 6800 is a brand new core, the x800 series is a speed bumped 9800 more or less. If nvidia are now faster well good for them, with a new core comparing to a core thats now around 2 years old or more id expect them to be catching up or being faster to some extent, would be embarressing if ati "old tech" was beating up on nvidia's "latest and greatest".

Anyway, hl2, noone really knows as yet, the cs source benchmarks dont count for much imo and are not indicitive of how hl2 is gonna perform for the reasons stated above.