God's Written Word, 3 things to consider - Page 7

Chronic Diarrhea · 08-11-2002, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BallisticWookie

I believe in God, I am Lutheran, but I dont go to church anymore. I was once a strong believer, and I think I still am, but past events and continuing tragedy's always bring me to the same question. Why does God let this happen ?? If he loved us so much, why does he let us destroy ourselves ? I dont get it, why doesnt he destroy evil so we can live in peace ?? Is he waiting for us to destroy ourselves and then show his face ? He is truly magnificent and powerful, but his common sense is perhaps a bit of target.

Death and destruction in his or any religious entities name is, simply said, fucked. No one person has the right to take the life of another in the name of their god, only their god can take that life or give that life, but when it all boils down to it, their is, as far as I am concerned, only one God. So, we are all killing in His name for nothing. For all we know He could be up there laughing His ass off at us because of our complete and utter stupidity, and it would'nt suprise me one little bit if that is the case.

The death of a child at the hands of some murdering bastards hands is not God's will, it is evil's will. If God does love us unconditionally as written in the Bible, he would never let a child, one who has not even come close to experiencing the beauties and cruelties of this weird planet, to be killed cold heartedly. I cannot, for a second believe that God would, by his own hand, murder a child, and sadly, if that is the case, I cannot and will not, if it can become a known fact, put my faith in someone or something that can be as heartless or callous as that.

Until such a time comes, I will continue to believe that God and his Son, love us and watch over us, atleast those that believe in him. I am forever using his name in vain, blaming him for the worlds problems and other such things, but I will always love him. Others ofcourse will think differently, and I respect the fact that you may not believe in him or have different feelings and ideas toward him and about him. To each his own. You all have the right to choose to believe in what you want and no-one has the right to tell you what you can and cannot believe in. But respect is the key here, no matter what a persons feelings, respect must always be present and felt by both parties, believers and non-believers.

Wow, finally somebody has the intelligence to rationalize. Your question as to why God would let evil roam over the world instead of just destroying evil, is something that I doubt anybody could ever answer. I guess the reason he doesn't just abolish evil from this planet, is so people that do believe in Him will have a glimpse of what hell may be like. I think the main reason that evil will never be extinct from this planet, is because Satan is a very, VERY powerful being. Actually, Satan IS the cause of evil, and is why people sin. Everytime one of us sins, Satan is actually in our head. Satan, just as God can, can be everywhere and anywhere all at the same time. So just as God can be in your heart, Satan can and usually is in your head. Satan's main goal for you, your family and friends, is to hunt you down and devour you.

I suppose most of you have heard of evil spirits/demons follow people around before. Whether it be through a spiritual contact to the underworld, or whatever, demons have been known to reside in people's homes and even on occasion take control of a person(possessed). Demons are pwerful beings, but Satan is 1,000,000 times more pwerful. Satan is almost as powerful as God, but not quite. Remember, the power of Christ will always prevail over evil.

Pfc.Green · 08-11-2002, 11:08 AM

I pose this question if your god is real, then why are the gods of Rome and Greece not real, or the gods that the Native Americans worshiped not real?

Coleman · 08-11-2002, 11:47 AM

[quote="*MoG*Quartus":e480b]Its easy to disregard the Bible as fiction when you haven't read it. I can easily say the writings of other major religions are fiction but to intelligently discuss the issue I would have to at least do a little homework to form a valid opinion.

Just a fourth thing to consider :lol:[/quote:e480b]
i totally agree with you Quartus

jimo_soccer · 08-11-2002, 11:48 AM

very interesting.

Coleman · 08-11-2002, 12:03 PM

[quote="Pfc.Green":e3761]I pose this question if your god is real, then why are the gods of Rome and Greece not real, or the gods that the Native Americans worshiped not real?[/quote:e3761]

We really never proved them to be fake, but most people just seem they are very unlikely. It is just another religion out there. But, unfortunately, science sometimes has tried to pass faith and religion in the race for answers.

SoLiDUS · 08-11-2002, 04:19 PM

The moment you have free will, bad things can happen. Why ? Because
everyone is different (don't make me go into psychology / sociology) and
they have the freedom to choose how to act or react for any situation.

Because of differences in the imprinting of your tabula rasa, something
you consider bad might be good for someone else. An act you think is
offensive might be totally normal for someone else. I contend that God
didn't make a mistake: Earth IS heaven and hell. Actually, every single
location in the Universe is. We are simply here to learn and evolve
spiritually until we no longer need to reincarnate in third dimensional
awareness and can progress elsewhere, in a plane that is more suiting
for our level of consciousness.

A bit radical, but far better than anything the Bible can come up with.
Again, if you have free will, bad things can happen. Don't forget that
"bad" is SUBJECTIVE: everyone has a different opinion of what is bad
and what is not, although there might be answers that come up more
often because of their universality.

Just some food for thought. :wink:

Captain Bunny · 08-11-2002, 05:17 PM

Did jesus have a liqure licence to turn water into wine??

Im athiest, I dont care about the bible, or God stuff, or religion as a whole, and thats my choice. Im happy.

One bible I have read though is Spike Milligans :lol:

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, and the earth brought forth grass and the rastafarians smoked it."

Old Reliable · 08-11-2002, 05:20 PM

Mythology and religion studies is some interesting stuff...

SoLiDUS · 08-11-2002, 05:44 PM

[quote:c59e7]"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, and the earth brought forth grass and the rastafarians smoked it."[/quote:c59e7]

LOL! Nice :lol:

Old Reliable · 08-11-2002, 05:56 PM

Heres a joke I thought was really funny:

Imagine this conversation The Creator might have with St. Francis about this: GRASS

"Frank, you know all about gardens and nature. What in the world is going on down there in the "States"? What happened to the dandelions, violets, thistle and stuff I started eons ago? I had a perfect, no maintenance garden plan. Thos plants grow in any type of soil, withstand drought and multiply with abandon. The nectar from the long-lasting blossoms attracted butterflies, honey bees and flocks of songbirds. I expected to see a vast garden of colors by now. But all I see are these green rectangles."

"It's the tribes that settled there, Lord. The Suburbanites. They started calling your flowers 'weeds' and went to great extent to kill them and replace them with grass."

"Grass? But it's so boring. It's not colorful. It doesn't attract butterflies, birds and bees, only grubs and sod worms. It's tempermental with temperatures. Do these Suburbanites really want all that grass growing there?"

"Apparently so, Lord. They go to great pains to grow it and keep it green. They begin each spring by fertilizing grass and poisoning any other plant that crops up in the lawn."

"The spring rains and cool weather probably make grass grow really fast. That must make the Suburbanites happy."

"Apparently not, Lord. As soon as it grows a little, they cut it--sometimes twice a week."

"They cut it? Do they bale it like hay?"

"Not exactly, Lord. Most of them rake it up and put it in bags."

"They bag it? Why? Is it a cash crop? Do they sell it?"

"No, sir. Just the opposite. They pay to throw it away."

"Now let me get this straight. They fertilize grass so it will grow. And when it does grow, they cut it off and pay to throw it away?"

"Yes, sir."

Old Reliable · 08-11-2002, 06:00 PM

"These Suburbanites must be relieved in the summer when we cut back on the rain and turn up the heat. That surely slows the growth and saves them a lot of work."

"You aren't going believe this Lord. When the grass stops growing so fast, they drag out hoses and pay more money to water it so they can continue to mow it and pay to get rid of it."

"What nonsense! At least they kept some of the trees. That was a sheer stroke of genius, if I do say so myself. The trees grow leaves in the spring to provide beauty and shade in the summer. In the autumn they fall to the ground and form a natural blanket to keep moisture in the soil and protect the trees and bushes. Plus, as they rot, the leaves form compost to enhance the soil. It's a natural circle of life."

"You better sit down, Lord. The Suburbanites have drawn a new circle. As soon as the leaves fall, they rake them into great piles and have them hauled away."

"No! What do they do to protect the shrub and tree roots in the winter and keep the soil moist and loose?"

"After throwing away your leaves, they go out and buy something they call mulch. They haul it home and spread it around in place of the leaves."

"And where do they get this mulch?"

"They cut down trees and grind them up."

"Enough! I don't want to think about this anymore. Saint
Catherine, you're in charge of the arts. What movie have you scheduled for tonight?"

"Dumb and Dumber, Lord. It's a real stupid movie about..."

"Never mind I think I just heard the whole story."

Sicilian_Summers · 08-11-2002, 06:42 PM

[quote="Pfc.Green":b71fb]I pose this question if your god is real, then why are the gods of Rome and Greece not real, or the gods that the Native Americans worshiped not real?[/quote:b71fb]

they arent really considered fake by any means. its just as most people in the world dont practice these religions it seems rather odd. if someone chooses to believe in Zeus, Posiedon, etc. thats his choice; if he chooses to believe in Spirits of the earth its his choice as well. Correct me if im wrong, but the Hindu religion has a variety of gods, and there are thousands of people who practice that religion. However, i am no theocracist so i cannot state this as fact.

*MoG*Quartus · 08-11-2002, 06:55 PM

[quote="Chronic Diarrhea":a91b7]
I think the main reason that evil will never be extinct from this planet, is because Satan is a very, VERY powerful being. Actually Satan, just as God can, can be everywhere and anywhere all at the same time.
Satan is almost as powerful as God, but not quite. Remember, the power of Christ will always prevail over evil.[/quote:a91b7]

Yes its easy to ignore the real reason we live in a fallen world and that reason is satan. He was the highest & most powferful angel created by God, but pride caused him to think he could be just as God, thus he was cast out of heaven with 1/3 of the angels (now demons) following him.

Satan loves when children are killed, he laughs when our loved ones are hurt , he is "a roaring lion seeking about whom he may devour" He hates you and wants you for his own.

He wants you to think he is a fairytale, and encourages that thinking. He is the great deceiver.

Fortunately he is not omnipresent and cannot be all places at once but he is organized and has many followers whom make his rounds for him.

Yes, demon possession is real and happens, but mostly satan relies on our own evil nature to do his will and lets us hang ourselves when given enough rope.

Evil is rewarded with more evil just as the punishment for sin is more sin. The more freedom one thinks they have to do as they please, the more a slave to sin they actually are.

Don't forget Christ can break the chains of sin that so ensnares us.

*MoG*Quartus · 08-11-2002, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Because of differences in the imprinting of your tabula rasa, something
you consider bad might be good for someone else. An act you think is
offensive might be totally normal for someone else.

I can't leave that one alone, God has written what is right and wrong in each person's heart.

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

[quote:bf404]We are simply here to learn and evolve
spiritually until we no longer need to reincarnate in third dimensional
awareness and can progress elsewhere, in a plane that is more suiting
for our level of consciousness.[/quote:bf404]

Really, i'm speechless. Where did that whole concept originate? Has anyone ever witnessed it happening. Evolution, spiritually, physically & emotionally is truely a faith based religion. :-?

Pfc.Green · 08-11-2002, 08:06 PM

[quote="*MoG*Quartus":a268f]
Yes its easy to ignore the real reason we live in a fallen world and that reason is satan. He was the highest & most powferful angel created by God, but pride caused him to think he could be just as God, thus he was cast out of heaven with 1/3 of the angels (now demons) following him.

Satan loves when children are killed, he laughs when our loved ones are hurt , he is "a roaring lion seeking about whom he may devour" He hates you and wants you for his own.

He wants you to think he is a fairytale, and encourages that thinking. He is the great deceiver.

Fortunately he is not omnipresent and cannot be all places at once but he is organized and has many followers whom make his rounds for him.

Yes, demon possession is real and happens, but mostly satan relies on our own evil nature to do his will and lets us hang ourselves when given enough rope.

Evil is rewarded with more evil just as the punishment for sin is more sin. The more freedom one thinks they have to do as they please, the more a slave to sin they actually are.

Don't forget Christ can break the chains of sin that so ensnares us.[/quote:a268f]

:lol: You think we live in a dangerous and crime filled world because of "satan" :lol: