[Akuma]

No they really arn't.

[Keyser Soze]

before they were.. up intiol about 75 or so i was helping a lot of people.. now its just blah

[hoonose]

Of course the war wasn't fun (mostly, remember the VD rate was up to 20% of enlisted men, at times). The game is for fun. And, in my, admittedly, self-centered way, I maximize my own fun. I really don't think that I detract, a significant amount of fun, from my online enemies. They just die a little more often than they'd like!
Hoonose

[Keyser Soze]

eh, play how you wanna play. thats all

sometimes i like to have fun games like ronald mcdonald vs the mad german scientists but it doesn't really help me that much since a muzzle flash is easy to notice in the first place. if anything it hurts me when i start laughing at it

[Ydiss]

Ok, I'll make myself a little clearer.

Forcing models is not cheating. Your argument that it is cheating when not using custom skins is ludicrous, especially when you back it up with the good old 'You couldn't do it in real war, so why can you do it in a game about war?'.

Simple. It's a game.

You have the option to turn off your crosshair, my good sir, but I'll bet you any money that you don't do that, do you?

Did they have magic flying crosshairs to aim with in the war?

Nuh-uh.

Do you have the option to switch them on or off?

Uh-huh.

Do you switch them off?

Nuh-uh.

Is this cheating?

You tell me.

In the poll you included an option that said 'Yes, but only if using brightly colored skins'. I selected that option.

Using custom skins isn't cheating as it could be a dark custom skin that you like the look of and you (and a few friends, maybe your clan) might use.

I'm not being funny, but if someone needs help seeing models to improve their game then they're not good enough for it to make a difference that they use bright skins.

Seeing your enemy clearly is only half of the battle. The rest of it you have to aim, move, hide, use cover... the list goes on.

Ladders and leagues ban custom skins simply to stop this kind of debate. They put the rule in to make sure everyone knows where they stand.

Barrys World MOH League doesn't ban the use of force models but does ban the use of custom skins and you can be asked to take a screenshot at any time.

If you fail to produce a satisfactory screenshot you are removed from the league.

Simple.

Personally, I don't use force models. My main reason is because this allows you to mark your enemies by the model they use. With force models on everyone looks the same so I never know who is who and you have to think fast to work out how they will play when you first see them.

With force models off you can remember who they are most times and you will already have a good idea how good they are.

On top of that, it looks better.

Anyone is welcome to use force models and bright skins against me, it won't make much difference, in my opinion.

Force models can be useful (i.e. no Mannons and scientists on the beach)

but in the hands of the wrong people it's just dumb.
If you really need to use bright skins to see your opponent you must have the attention span of a freaking 8-year-old and need to go to a n00bs only server.


About the "magic floating crosshair" thing:
no they didn't have it in real life, but they had sights, since the developers were too careless to include a real sight, it would be rather difficult to hit anything without the floating crosshair (remember in real life only stupid soldiers fired from the hip like John Wayne)

wouldn't be much point in them putting iron sights in, the crosshair is already 100% accurate and with infinite velocity it would basically be a bulky scope with no zoom

[HK_Crucible]

Forcing Models is NOT a cheat if

1) The models do not visually help you
2) You use a default skin
3) Your computer is slow and you follow the above guidelines (helps system performance)

Forcing models IS a cheat if

1) The models are very easy to see. For example using a very bright skin on any map.
2) You have a high-powered system and you do this
3) If you can't already see regular skins for people, you need to concentrate more