[FWB]

Originally Posted by BallisticWookie

I never intended to start a fight over this, this is just a subject that really gets me going. The guns are not to be blamed for the deaths, the person who holds the gun should get the ultimate blame

As Eddie Izzard puts it: Guns don't kill people? Well they bloody help. If you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone. Simple. I also don't subscribe to the idea that people will resort to other weapons to do their dirty work. Some may, but it requires alot of effort to kill someone with the likes of a knife. A gun is simple. You shoot, you hit. It requires little thinking. It is also more likely to be fatal in an accident. I just can't see that "girl accidentally stabs herself 10 times with a knife" headline. I also believe you wouldn't have these mass school shootings/killings in the US if guns were banned.

[quote:3fcc0] and the Government for their lax control and standards in the first place, any legal gun owner who has gone through the correct channels to buy a gun and gain a license will know that his weapon is in a registry and can be traced, therefore, no gun owner with half a brain will go out and kill indiscriminately, those who have bought a gun illegally, through the black market, are the problem and Customs officers should be doing a better job stemming the flow of black market arms.[/quote:3fcc0]

The best way to do that, and you can deny it all you want but Britain is a good example of this, is to ban them. Yes we still have a small gun problem (nothing is perfect), but you run a risk here just owning one.

[quote:3fcc0] A gun cannot pick and choose what it kills, it doesnt have a brain, it has a mechanism that is ultimately controlled by the handler, and if that handler is shooting at innocent people than the blame must be squarely pointed toward the user/abuser, not the equipment.[/quote:3fcc0]

That's what makes it so scary. It is indiscriminate. It kills civlians - women and children.

[quote:3fcc0]Guns and cars can be compared because they are both dangerous when used irresponsibly. Both can kill quite easily without a problem. The point raised between cars and guns is that both are dangerous, cars obviously more so, and the problem with cars and deaths is once again the person controlling it, not the car itself. So I raised the question, should cars be banned aswell ??[/quote:3fcc0]

Mate, it is a pointless comment. Cars are not designed to kill, guns are.

[quote:3fcc0]FWB, I know very well the difference between games and real life, dont be so ridiculous. I just dont get that you can enjoy shooting people in games and then when it comes to real life you cant stand guns....I just dont get it.[/quote:3fcc0]

Like I said, I find it scary that you are getting confused. What you see on the screen is a bunch of pixel. It is not a real gun. The "gun" in the game cannot kill, it isn't designed to kill. The same goes for other activities. I like paint-ball, it is a lot of fun and I have no problem with people playing it. Why? Because the "guns" in it are not designed to kill, they cannot kill. These are basically adult versions of tag.

Here's a question, why can't you do your shooting with non-lethal/bullet-using weapons?

[quote:3fcc0]I do respect peoples wishes to stay away from firearms, that is their choice and their choice alone,[/quote:3fcc0]

How about you respect the fact that the majority of people in your country (and mine) don't want guns in their society? The majority want to eliminate, or reduce dramatically, any chance of their kid or themselves being blown away.

[quote:3fcc0] but when they start enforcing other people to do the same through their constant lobbying in the courts and other means thats when I get annoyed. I've never forced anyone to hold a gun and fire it and I've never forced my views on another person and made people change their views to go along with mine. [/quote:3fcc0]

Unfortunately, with your view you do. I don't deny that what I support forces a life-style upon gun users, that they can't shoot, but your belief does the same. It forces many of us to live with guns in our society.

[quote:3fcc0]Everyone has the right the choose what they want in their life, but when that right is taken away from me, even when I am responsible along with hundreds of thousands of other sporing shooters, that pisses us of and we WILL take a stand.[/quote:3fcc0]

See above.