[FWB]

Originally Posted by reshef

well...
israel's policy to the palastines changed saince the start of the intifada only before the intifada 95% of all palastines worked in israel and made a good living (now they reacive approximly 250$ for 2 month per a family)
israel gave alot of money to the palastines bringing technoalgy and prosperaty to the gaza strip

They want to be independent, not under Israeli control, so it is irrelevant as to whether "wealth" was brought to the area. And I strongly doubt there was equality. People rise up for a reason.

[quote:93f15]it was a knowen to be a nice afternoon to go sit in a palastinen resturant eating arabs dishes and buying arab looking things for decoration until in the year 2000 2 israelis eating at a restrunt were taken away by 5 palastines in sky maskes and were shot in the town square after that no more israelis were allowed in.[/quote:93f15]

Nice for who? Israelis maybe, but not for Palestinians. I'm sure they'd see it quite differently.

[quote:93f15]and back to araft, araft supported the intifada saince he saw he was close to an aggremunt with the israelis (1 week before the intifada start israel as offerd 95% of the terrtoris the palastines asked for) he knew that if the palastinen ppl would go smarter richer happier they would no longer support his dead end regim . it's all over the papers now the the american and israeli intelgance now know that araft has 1,300,000,000$ and i didn't make mistake with the zeros think of that for a while and then come back[/quote:93f15]

Can you provide a source for that?

Even if you are telling the truth, that's nothing compared to how much Israel gets from America in arms.

[reshef]

well i don't normally read news online so i know from news papers i buy (israeli and internainoal alike) and i meant the whealth was brought there while discussing peace and a palastien country with out attacks but use comman seanse do u think that ppl who make money,have food,and will soon have a country will suppout groups like hamas and araft? (i know u think diffrently about araft but still) it makes sanse that hamas and all thoso groups would want to sabotage the peace process if there is no peace the hamas reacive funds from country and from araft how ever i can't prove that saince i see it in the israeli news papers that u say are full with propaganda

oh forgat to talk about what u said in israel reciving arms for the USA well look israel has once gave the palastines gun 33,000 rifles in number
to the palastines police after giving the rifles israel has backed out of all the terrtoirs while thinking the palastines will keep there word and not attack us we were wrong in sep 2000 while the intifnade broke out they pointed the rifles at us and should i remind u the americans give us weapons not only to deffend our self but also as a peace keeping force for example when israel blew up the iraqi nucler ractor in 1991 i belive in opertaion "opera"
the weapons we reacive is not a one side deal

[Coleman]

Here's my list:

Employees in McDonald's commercials that are actually good looking
Barry Bonds
Blacks who make fun of whites even though we can't say a word about them
Environmentalists (basically alot of people in California) AKA Tree Huggers
Child Molestors(you can't walk down the street these days without getting picked up by some guy with a mustache and some 80's sunglasses)
Chris Rock (Racist comedian)
some more that i can't think of at the moment

[Old Reliable]

Chris Rock is cool as hell, and Barry is the man

[FWB]

Originally Posted by reshef

well i don't normally read news online so i know from news papers i buy (israeli and internainoal alike) and i meant the whealth was brought there while discussing peace and a palastien country with out attacks

Well you admit yourself, your sources are Israeli. As for international papers, which ones are we talking about. Can you provide a source?

[quote:76bff]but use comman seanse do u think that ppl who make money,have food,and will soon have a country will suppout groups like hamas and araft? (i know u think diffrently about araft but still)[/quote:76bff]

If they have their country, no, you're right. Which begs the next question, why did they support it? It takes two to tango. I'm not suggesting either side here is innocent, but the Israeli response has certainly fuelled support for the bombers and reduced international support. You guys are a country, you have a governmental structure, are organised. You are expected to act within the laws of the international courts. Lowering yourselves to the levels of a few select Palestinians is not the way to go. And we're not just talking using tanks. Israel does alot more than that, for example it enjoys stealing all the Palestinian water supplies.

[quote:76bff] it makes sanse that hamas and all thoso groups would want to sabotage the peace process if there is no peace the hamas reacive funds from country and from araft how ever i can't prove that saince i see it in the israeli news papers that u say are full with propaganda[/quote:76bff]

Yes, you are right, but Hamas are not the general population and treating them as such is not the way to go about it.

[quote:76bff]oh forgat to talk about what u said in israel reciving arms for the USA well look israel has once gave the palastines gun 33,000 rifles in number
to the palastines police after giving the rifles israel has backed out of all the terrtoirs while thinking the palastines will keep there word and not attack us we were wrong in sep 2000 while the intifnade broke out they pointed the rifles at us and should i remind u the americans give us weapons not only to deffend our self but also as a peace keeping force for example when israel blew up the iraqi nucler ractor in 1991 i belive in opertaion "opera"
the weapons we reacive is not a one side deal[/quote:76bff]

I'm sorry, but it is. The Palestinians are legally not allowed to purchase arms, there is a blockade (although I'm sure it isn't followed it does make it harder for them to get convential weapons and fight a convential war, thus they resort to bombs). You can hardly compare the billions Israel receives from the US on the same level as the support the Palestinians get.

For every event you name against Israel I can probably name ten against Palestine.

[Chronic Diarrhea]

-Willa Ford (she's the one people should call slut, not Britney)

-idiot ricers that spend 20,000 dollars to soup up their Honda Civic so that it still runs like a piece of crap

-Bow Wow (I dunno why, I just think he's stupid)

-Like somebody else said, arrogant black people that are racist

-Tom Daschle

-Phil Donnahue

-lots and lots of other people

Basically, I hate everybody

[CeltFury]

The McDonalds worker with a huge mole just like the one is Goldmember except she don't speak english heh j/k

Probably somebody really rich being a snob or an athlete with an attitude.

[reshef]

ok now you are truely wrong the israeli response got stronger during the years but at the start we hardly did any response palastines murdered innocent civilens with there bombings while israel attacks only known terroists (yes i know there have been cases where israel killed civileins in accident) and another thing israel does not reacive billions and there are problames with that money too we can't just buy anything we need US approval and should i remind u that the palastines have alot of weapon israel catches alot of rifles all the time not too long ago the was a capturing if a palastines ship the KARIN A that was about to deliver tons of weapons we are talking about rifle,anti tank missle,anti air missles,mines, everything u can think of and if u are so sure the palastines are so deffance less would u tell me how did the blow up 2 israeli tanks? israel is known by it's tanks that are the most advansed in the world (that also makes us look bad) the palastines blew the turrets right off the tanks killing the crews inside

and i have read in the new york times about araft having that little fourtune it's known he is not passing money to the ppl common do me a favor do u acctuly belive the he can have all thoso cars and not have money do u acctuly belive his wife is living in france with out money?

and for the power israel is using in this belive me we are not using so much power if we really wanted to use power israel has the 3rd strongest air force around (suprized?) we would just blow up all parts of the citys and solve the problam

hamas has over 3 million supporters so yes we can treat them as general population but israel does not hunt down ever hamas supporter we hunt known terroists and we rather lock them up more then kill them


and now i have a few questions too how would u solve this
if we retreat right now from all areas they will just come and attack us we can't take that chanse we can't agree for the palastines request of letting all exiles come back to israel (they are over 11 million exailed palastinen they made allllot of children over 50 years as u can guess it's a fake ppl who never lived in israel nor there grandparents want to leave jorden and come here a country that has only 6 million civilens)

and another question look at america and the world look what append in afganistan the USA attacked with out cheking twice if they knew there were terroist in a villge they attack with carpet bomings and blew up the villge what do u have to say for that?

and u say we steal the palastine water? now your just saying nonseanse there is only one water source in the area a small sea called "kineret" and it is in the israeli lands not even the one the palastines want and we supply them with water we are the ones giving water to the palastines using out technoalgy out water sources our pipes our money to give water to basicly the enemy


i'll be waiting for your answer

Any rappers,dictators,racists ,Ben Asslick,Leonardo Decraprio !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FWB]

Originally Posted by reshef

ok now you are truely wrong the israeli response got stronger during the years but at the start we hardly did any response palastines murdered innocent civilens with there bombings while israel attacks only known terroists (yes i know there have been cases where israel killed civileins in accident) and another thing israel does not reacive billions and there are problames with that money too we can't just buy anything we need US approval and should i remind u that the palastines have alot of weapon israel catches alot of rifles all the time not too long ago the was a capturing if a palastines ship the KARIN A that was about to deliver tons of weapons we are talking about rifle,anti tank missle,anti air missles,mines, everything u can think of and if u are so sure the palastines are so deffance less would u tell me how did the blow up 2 israeli tanks? israel is known by it's tanks that are the most advansed in the world (that also makes us look bad) the palastines blew the turrets right off the tanks killing the crews inside

Ohh please. It goes without saying that the Israelis have been busy assaulting Palestinians, physically, economically and socially for god knows how long.

[quote:872b9]and i have read in the new york times about araft having that little fourtune it's known he is not passing money to the ppl common do me a favor do u acctuly belive the he can have all thoso cars and not have money do u acctuly belive his wife is living in france with out money?[/quote:872b9]

Stop avoiding my request. Provide a source. A link.

[quote:872b9]and for the power israel is using in this belive me we are not using so much power if we really wanted to use power israel has the 3rd strongest air force around (suprized?) we would just blow up all parts of the citys and solve the problam[/quote:872b9]

Which is what you're virtually doing now anyway.

[quote:872b9]hamas has over 3 million supporters so yes we can treat them as general population but israel does not hunt down ever hamas supporter we hunt known terroists and we rather lock them up more then kill them [/quote:872b9]

Ok, we'll use your logic. The Israel population supports the government that assaults the Palestinians. That makes them legitmate targets for the bombers. Fair?

[quote:872b9]and now i have a few questions too how would u solve this
if we retreat right now from all areas they will just come and attack us we can't take that chanse we can't agree for the palastines request of letting all exiles come back to israel (they are over 11 million exailed palastinen they made allllot of children over 50 years as u can guess it's a fake ppl who never lived in israel nor there grandparents want to leave jorden and come here a country that has only 6 million civilens)[/quote:872b9]

Territories you have no right to control. I didn't say I have all the answers, but a withdrawl is a good start. And stop building.

[quote:872b9]and another question look at america and the world look what append in afganistan the USA attacked with out cheking twice if they knew there were terroist in a villge they attack with carpet bomings and blew up the villge what do u have to say for that?[/quote:872b9]

I didn't and don't support the US action.

[quote:872b9]and u say we steal the palastine water? now your just saying nonseanse there is only one water source in the area a small sea called "kineret" and it is in the israeli lands not even the one the palastines want and we supply them with water we are the ones giving water to the palastines using out technoalgy out water sources our pipes our money to give water to basicly the enemy [/quote:872b9]

http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/comment/tr09water.html
http://www.caa.org.au/publications/brie ... ne-israel/
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/~wws401c/geography.html
In sum, Israel diverts 640 MCM/yr from the entire Jordan River basin. Syria diverts approximately 170 MCM/yr from the Yarmouk River, and Jordan receives 140-150 MCM/yr from the Yarmouk basin and 40 MCM/yr from the Lower Jordan. The West Bank does not receive any water from the Jordan basin.

Israel currently uses 93 percent of the annual recharge to the aquifer; Palestinians receive only about 17 percent of the water supply underlying West Bank territory and nothing from the Jordan River.


http://www.newint.org/issue199/facts.htm
Israel takes one-third of its water from the West Bank: 1.9 billion cubic metres annually. Palestinians in the West Bank have been prohibited from drilling wells without permission while over 17 new wells have been sunk to supply Israeli settlers.11

All pretty independent sources.

I can provide you with plenty of sources on this as I did a paper that linked into it about 3 years ago.

[Captain Bunny]

A few people already mentioned and some others to add to my list:

Chris Rock
Eminem
Leo Dicaprio
Kids who think its cool to do weed or any other illegal/underage thing
Kids who think its cool to have "bad attitude"
Kids who think eminem is cool
Adults who think eminem is cool
Girls who stand up for "girl power"
The people who stopped making Tiny Toon and Animaniacs cartoons
The people who invented teletubbies, bob the builder, and all the modern day kiddy rubbish.
Hollywood producers who give the impression all americans high school are full of hot cheerleaders, and hunky lacrosse/american footballers, that every high school day is sunny, and everyone owns a flash car.
Hollywood producers who never make films where America lose the vietnam war in a really bad way......they only make films where they win battles and then evac and maybe put up some text at the end over a black background about how the war ended.
Game companies that persistantly release unfished games and charge full price, very little tech support, and lose interest when so many people complain.

[Old Reliable]

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT PALESTINE AND ISRAEL

[reshef]

don't talk about what the population supports right now there is a left wing person heading to the prime minister postion and ellection will appen in about 5 month
and lets go over somethings u said

i do not support living in thoso places from my side israel should retreat and leaving thoso ppl to fend for the self i didn't like risking my ass guarding some fucks who just had to live there

and do me a favor israel is not attacking the palstines phyicly only the terroists as i said i was in the army i had my orders and orders were allways "no civilens are to be hurt avoid all unnessercy killing" and econmicly they are hurt because we can't just let them work in our country u they bring in susiside attackers like that and the money the recive from the red cross and the US we never stoped the are still reaciving it only problam araft is not giving it away and i allready said that
and how are we attacking them sociely?
and i am not avoiding your request i am just don't read thing over the net and i do not know to use reliable sources so i can't bring u something thats not realible u seem to know your war around searce for it and u will find it
and about the water i tell u again if u don't know how the things go around here don't say anything israel is not stealing water it's the way things allways been here israel has one sea of safe to drink water that is fiiled by the rivars u said israel has once went to war becuse syria diverted the main river and by the way israel hardly survives with the water it has the "kinert" is 8 meters below the red line

and u cannot say things with out cheking the history of things

for example let me ask u something
all the palastine exailes did israel make them exailes? did we load them to trains and sent them away?
this will be a real test of what u know on the middle east crisis




due to the request of one person and the thoughts of other that i can sense stabbing in my neck i will no longer post about my peddy problams in this topic and will get back to the reall topic

i hate ppl like me that take over topics to do politics

[FWB]

reshaf,

All you've done so far is made some wild accusations with no evidence. I asked you for a source on Arafat, you've now decided to ignore me. I provided you evidence for Israel stealing water, you've ignored it and continued with your babbling. If you don't know how to debate, don't bother. Offer some valid links (not Israeli) and then we can talk. I want to see sources for:

Arafat
Israel water supplies

I also want to see something criticising what I've posted and not you making poorly thought out and clearly bias comments. Don't give me an excuse that you can't find it... that's just lame. Don't tell me to go and research it. It is your viewpoint, YOU find the eveidence. I've been kind enough to take some time out to present you with some and I find it insulting that you cannot be arsed. The internet is a rice source of information.

Finally, and no offense, but I can barely understand what you're saying. That is no attack on you, but it makes it difficult trying to reply. Your English is better than my Hebrew though.

[reshef]

well i see i must do one last post on the subject too

well my english spelling rather bad i admit i speck much better then i type sorry bout that

and also from my point of u i made vaild argument while you accused uncorreclty of israel attacking the palastines people and not only terroists a think that is completly incorrect if u want sources that much
look me up on icq 36933811
i will send a buddy of mine that messes around with the internet alot to look for it