[Alias]

lol naive. You know just as much as I do bud, nothing more. It doesnt matter which side of the fence your on, this time the grass looks the same. I wasnt challenging your statements, I was simply asking for proof in what your saying. I am NOT in any way trying to say its wrong, I just honestly wanna know why you think it.

[quote:8505d]Because CNN or an "official" says so?[/quote:8505d]

This was actually a rare situation, me having the tv on with CNN playing.

[FWB]

Originally Posted by Germ

you really think that? we couldnt of done that, it's way to cruel.

do you know where i can find info about what you just said?

a reliable source, not those freak conspiracy theory site though

My point wasn't that that was the case, just that it wouldn't surprise me. We're in the middle of a propaganda war at the moment. The US military is desperate to flex its muscles and needs public support. It will go to great lengths to build it up, especially fuelling hatred for certain groups. Thus, take everything that you're presented with with a pinch of salt. Don't immediately jump to conclusions. We haven't been presented with any proof, just a video of a dog suffering. Think about it, it could be from anywhere.

[FWB]

Originally Posted by Alias

lol naive. You know just as much as I do bud, nothing more. It doesnt matter which side of the fence your on, this time the grass looks the same. I wasnt challenging your statements, I was simply asking for proof in what your saying. I am NOT in any way trying to say its wrong, I just honestly wanna know why you think it.

No, you need to show ME proof. You claimed this video was it, I'm saying it means nothing. It is of a dog suffering? So what? That could be anywhere. My proof - although i don't know what I'm supposed to prove since I'm merely questioning the story that has been given by CNN (of all people) and a government official (and we know how they can be trusted, especially after the Pentagon announced it was to start a campaign of disinformation) with pictures - lies in the fact that it isn't evidence.

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This was actually a rare situation, me having the tv on with CNN playing.[/quote:83949]

lol. Somehow I don't think so.

[Pfc.Green]

I think the fact that CNN has this tape and is telling us this has more credence than other networks seeing as how CNN is the most liberal and terrorist friendly of the networks.

[Low spark]

The US has a long record of testing drug's & chemicals on humans. If our government is doing it today, we won't find out for decades. Much like the LSD tests on civilan's and miltaty personell, sending out troops to the nucelar test sites the use of Agent Orange. Who knowns what kind of testing we do on animals, but that ok because we can be trusted.

[FWB]

[quote="Pfc.Green":0db44]I think the fact that CNN has this tape and is telling us this has more credence than other networks seeing as how CNN is the most liberal and terrorist friendly of the networks.[/quote:0db44]

Err......? Green, what are you talking about now? CNN is seen as the archetypical source of US government propaganda (that and Fox).

i dont think it's propaganda. i saw the shadow of that taliban guy near the corner of the tape.

[Gh0st]

Why do you call us naive? There is a much greater chance that that video was made by al Qaeda... Why? Because its not just one video they obtained but many...

Also why would we need to fight a propaganda war?


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[Slinky2397]

Hmm.....I never even watch CNN. I stick to local news, I don't need that shit. What sucks is channels 35-39 are all NBC MSNBC CNN and all that crap and I forget it when I flip through channels.

[Mr.X]

...yes, listen to FWB everyone, it's all propaganda!!! oOo:

...we have no reason to believe those fuzzy care-bears Al-Queada, Taliban and Saddam mean us or anyone else harm..... hake:

[FWB]

Originally Posted by Gh0st

Why do you call us naive? There is a much greater chance that that video was made by al Qaeda... Why? Because its not just one video they obtained but many...

What exactly is it that you have there? Did you not read my posts? Video footage is always edited and it is very easy to setup a picture so it looks like certain relationships exist. There is no proof that what you're seeing is an Al-Qaeda test. None, what-so-ever. The purpose of its release is quite clear though. In instill greater hatred towards the specified group. It seems to have done its job very well here.

[quote:63c19]Also why would we need to fight a propaganda war?[/quote:63c19]

Because simple people need to be encouraged to support their governments actions. Even those who support the cause need to be bombarded continuously so that they continue to remain behind the actions. People forget things all too easily.

[quote="Mr.X":63c19]...yes, listen to FWB everyone, it's all propaganda!!! oOo: [/quote:63c19]

Is that the best you can do?

[quote:63c19]...we have no reason to believe those fuzzy care-bears Al-Queada, Taliban and Saddam mean us or anyone else harm..... hake:[/quote:63c19]

Where did I say that they meant us no harm, a quote please? All I'm stating is that the video means nothing.

Besides, that kind of torturing goes on in every western nation on a daily basis (even excluding government work).

On a final note, I find it incredible that I post the list of children who have died in the Palestine-Israel conflict only to get responses of "why the f*** should I care?" followed by jokes. Yet, this, this video of nothing (yes, it is awful an animal suffers, but compared to what is going on elsewhere) brings out great rage directed at a group that we have no proof is connected to it. It says alot about many people in this forum community.

[Gh0st]

First of all the Terrorist dug their own graves when they launched the attack on the world trade center and the pentagon... and im almost positive that most of America supports the US Governments Decision to carry out a War on Terror... so why is there a need for propaganda?

[Slinky2397]

Break it up break it up. That is sad from those pictures.

[Pyro]

Dogs are cool.....if it is true hake:

[Gh0st]

[quote:a0cd0]The purpose of its release is quite clear though. In instill greater hatred towards the specified group. It seems to have done its job very well here.[/quote:a0cd0]

And were not supposed to hate them for what they have done? They are terrorists... were not supposed to love them?