No Love for Africa - Page 2

ninty · 06-14-2005, 06:51 PM

Perhaps countries could have some domestic structure if they didn't have to pay $13 for every $1 borrowed from the world bank.

African countries don't have a chance.

Short Hand · 06-15-2005, 04:53 AM

Considering Western nations "are" responsible for much of the instability/Poverty in Africa, we sort of have a dept to settle to them. a Dept drop and a further push of Tony Blair's plan would be a great start. Should the people of a nation be forced to carry the dept of a former dictator who took power in a military type takeover to say ?

Johnj · 06-15-2005, 07:50 AM

How are the western nations resposible for conditions in Africa? If you feel the need to help out by all means go do so. Don't try to lay a guilt trip on me though, I've been pitching in for over 30 years.

rdeyes · 06-15-2005, 08:56 AM

[quote="Short Hand":541a8]Considering Western nations "are" responsible for much of the instability/Poverty in Africa, we sort of have a dept to settle to them. a Dept drop and a further push of Tony Blair's plan would be a great start. Should the people of a nation be forced to carry the dept of a former dictator who took power in a military type takeover to say ?[/quote:541a8]

BAHAAAAAAA happy:

nice try but thats not the reason , the reason is that most if not all of the leaders in africa are corrupt and theres to much hatred between tribes, look at rwanda and sudan , ethopia. like i said in my earlier post. let some other countries step up and take the lead in this plan, theres hunger in america thats needs to be looked at first

Short Hand · 06-15-2005, 11:24 AM

Apartheid - South Africa

http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~ca ... .hist.html

Leopold In The Congo

http://www.chinooksedge.ab.ca/projects/ ... lgium.html

Dutch Arrival in South Africa

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/afric ... ter2.shtml

Slavery (HMMMMM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/afric ... ion9.shtml

Imperialism

http://members.aol.com/TeacherNet/World.html

Corporate ass fucking (the top one has tons to read)

http://www.africaaction.org/docs97/shel9705.2.htm

&

http://www.peoplesgovernance.org/statements/072202.htm

The list goes on of Western crimes/abuse/exploitation's done threw OUT Africa. Africa would be a much better place if the past could be changed. I find it harsh that you feel no obligation to drop depts with these countries. "Why should a people be responsible for a military dictator who borrowed the money ? Even if this man was not elected or chosen "by" the people " ? That is just silly. rdeyes, you have no fucking clue buddy. Africa is what it is becasue of our anchestors. & even people today around us continue this circle of exploitation.

Johnj · 06-15-2005, 11:52 AM

Which western nation was it that invented slavery?

Chappy · 06-15-2005, 12:56 PM

i dont know for certain but i'm pretty sure the U.S. has forgiven the debts of some of the countries in Africa. I'm not sure on that...i'm at work with no high speed internet so i dont have the patience to creep through google to find it...i could be wrong on it

Sgt>Stackem · 06-15-2005, 01:08 PM

just a quick questio for Short, who sold the slaves to the US? I think it may be other Africans so why would they shoulder the blame? i know its easier to blame the US cause everything is thier fault,

rdeyes · 06-15-2005, 08:03 PM

what has canada done lately for africa ? so quick to blame all the worlds problems on America, its no use talking to you about world politics, africa isnt a US problem its a world problem and we shouldnt have to foot the bill.

Stammer · 06-15-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdeyes

what has canada done lately for africa ? so quick to blame all the worlds problems on America, its no use talking to you about world politics, africa isnt a US problem its a world problem and we shouldnt have to foot the bill.

I though I heard the Canadians were sending a Peace Keeping force.

ninty · 06-15-2005, 08:14 PM

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Canada

Short Hand · 06-15-2005, 11:22 PM

MY god guys, all western/ european nations have a responsibility to Africa, not just the US, I never mentioned you as the only ones.......If you had read threw even one of those.

Just a note, the Dutch started the slave trade, & other nations were involved as well.

Tripper · 06-15-2005, 11:56 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":ffb91]just a quick questio for Short, who sold the slaves to the US? I think it may be other Africans so why would they shoulder the blame? i know its easier to blame the US cause everything is thier fault,[/quote:ffb91]

The minority of slave trades were made by Africans themselves, and besides, there wouldn't be a market for them if there weren't western, white, consumers buying them. I hate it when people use that as a fallback argument, usually trying to deny any "blame" for the situation.

I have to agree you guys jumped the gun on crucifying Short on this one - He did only mention western nations and never singled out the U.S, so shut the fuck up about that.

BTW, Short, its THROUGH....Not 'threw.' spank:

Short Hand · 06-16-2005, 04:56 AM

Grammer is not my calling. ed:

Johnj · 06-16-2005, 05:02 AM

[quote="Short Hand":8cf14]MY god guys, all western/ european nations have a responsibility to Africa, not just the US, I never mentioned you as the only ones.......If you had read threw even one of those.

Just a note, the Dutch started the slave trade, & other nations were involved as well.[/quote:8cf14]

Wrong trading slaves is an very old custom from the dawn of time. It can't be blamed on any modern nation. Slavery was the norm until late in the 18th century. Still practiced in the Midle East.