Man shot 'not connected' to bombings - Page 2

Johnj · 07-25-2005, 04:26 AM

Despite the concerns of human rights activists, police say they will not abandon what they called their "shoot-to-kill in order to protect" policy with suicide bombers. They have warned that more innocents could be killed

Who ever came up with this plan is stupid: .

Short Hand · 07-25-2005, 06:20 AM

I find it funny, how these attacks are not happening in America.. I mean if an uneducated Mexican can make it..why can't a sophisticated terrorist network do it as well ?.....(buy the explosives in South America, Smuggle them into the United States, hit a more important target, Acheive your goal...This makes much more sense..easier....) Why target Britain and avoid America ? Something is not right at all, everything seems way to fishy to me. I am not saying I beleive the conspiracy theory's.. but I do find all of this very funky. ed:

Tripper · 07-25-2005, 06:27 AM

[quote="Short Hand":6d687]I find it funny, how these attacks are not happening in America.. I mean if an uneducated Mexican can make it..why can't a sophisticated terrorist network do it as well ?.....(buy the explosives in South America, Smuggle them into the United States, hit a more important target, Acheive your goal...This makes much more sense..easier....) Why target Britain and avoid America ? Something is not right at all, everything seems way to fishy to me. I am not saying I beleive the conspiracy theory's.. but I do find all of this very funky. ed:[/quote:6d687]

In their eyes Britain is pretty much just as bad. They've already hit the U.S bigtime, and hadn't hit Britain until july 7th....What's the issue? What makes you think they're avoiding America, and not just waiting?

How is this at all "fishy" to you?

Short Hand · 07-25-2005, 06:37 AM

It is easier, more important, why not ? why choose such a target ? I mean when you play COD.... do you shoot for the head or neck ? All this attack has done is rally the British people a bit mre causing the opposite effect of which the terrorist exist for. They are not what they are for being making stupid choices on what & where they do what they do.

Johnj · 07-25-2005, 07:44 AM

Perhaps you should look at who stands to gain from such an attack.

Short Hand · 07-25-2005, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnj

Perhaps you should look at who stands to gain from such an attack.

Tony Blair..... ed: his approval rating shot up 17 %....and counting.

ninty · 07-25-2005, 08:44 AM

Yep Blair does definitely gain. Anti terror legislation now passes:

http://www.xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11965-4570206,00.html

After the second incident that happened a few days ago, I even heard that they were going to have an emergency vote that night to pass the legislation.

The legislation has also been described as similar to teh USA patriot act.

And take a look at this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4341659.stm

83% say Lords are right to block government anti terror bill. Also read the coments.

I know this is one website, and definetly does not represent all Britons, but it gives you an idea.

ninty · 07-25-2005, 01:34 PM

[quote:b1a35]The Brazilian man who was mistaken for a suicide bomber was shot eight times by police, his inquest has heard.

Electrician Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, at Stockwell Tube station, south London, on Friday
[/quote:b1a35]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm

Sgt>Stackem · 07-25-2005, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty

[quote:4cbe5]The Brazilian man who was mistaken for a suicide bomber was shot eight times by police, his inquest has heard.

Electrician Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, at Stockwell Tube station, south London, on Friday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm[/quote:4cbe5]

at least they are good shots!

Shorthand, you dont need to smuggle the bombs over, look at what Tim McVay (sp?) did

c312 · 07-25-2005, 03:24 PM

[quote="Short Hand":ab2a3]It is easier, more important, why not ? why choose such a target ? I mean when you play COD.... do you shoot for the head or neck ? All this attack has done is rally the British people a bit mre causing the opposite effect of which the terrorist exist for. They are not what they are for being making stupid choices on what & where they do what they do.[/quote:ab2a3]

I think it would be safe to say that they wanted to attack the UK in order to get similar results that they got when they attacked Madrid. They bombed Madrid and Spain pulled out of the Middle East. Maybe they thought if they did the same to the UK, that they would have one less opponent in the middle east. --just a thought

ninty · 07-25-2005, 03:36 PM

Hmmmmm...

Britain to pull 5,500 troops out of Iraq
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... wstop.html

If you notice the date, this was announced before the bombings. Man, Al Qadea must be really stupid. Britain announces their withdrawing over half their troops, but they decide to blow london up anyway because this will make the British...

Oh wait now I remember! Al Qaeda hate freedom!

Al Qaeda...can infiltrate the most powerful country in the world, smash planes into the most secure building in the world, and blow up london all just because their crazy fanatics and they hate freedom. Yep, sounds like the largest and most organized terrorist group in the world to me

c312 · 07-25-2005, 03:42 PM

wow, that was pretty stupid then.

ninty · 07-25-2005, 03:47 PM

Or how about it doesn't make any sense...which is why myself and others call into question these types of acts and try to decipher who actually causes them.

c312 · 07-25-2005, 03:49 PM

what have you come up with?

ninty · 07-25-2005, 04:11 PM

In my opinion, Al Qaeda doesn't really exist. It may have existed at one point, but I believe it’s in tatters now. I don't believe there are terrorist cells everywhere. I'm sure there are some, but Al Qaeda doesn't have the capacity to have thousands of followers willing to die in the name of Allah and Bin Laden.

What I would estimate is that there was cooperation between small parts of Al Qaeda and the US government in the Sept 11 attacks, and the same goes for the bombings in London.

From the research I’ve done I have almost even convinced myself that the US government was the sole player in the Sept 11 attacks and didn’t involve any Islamic terrorists at all. I wouldn't like to believe that, but the more I look, the more it seems that way.

I believe 100% that the US and British governments in some form were involved. This could just knowing of the incoming attacks, or full blown involvement. This I can never be sure of and no one can really be sure of. The only people who know are the officials themselves. All I can do is look at the information presented before me and draw conclusions, which is what I have done.

The main question that needs to be asked is “who gains from this?”

What does Al Qaeda gain? They got to kill a bunch of people. Is that it?

What does the US and British gain? Implementation of controversial legislation including patriot act, national id cards, increased defense budget spending, stimulation of economy through war, money for the largest industry (that being defense contracts), the ability to search and detain anyone under the terrorism act etc. I could go on and on.

Two videos I would very much recommend watching are:

The BBC's series "The Power of Nightmares" 3 episodes @ 1 hour each that specifically deal with Neo-conservatism and Islamic fundamentalists
and
The Directors Cut of “In Plane Site” which is about 1 hour and 12 minutes and specifically about the acts of 9/11.