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[quote:afd30]Heh, i'll heckle the president no matter what his party. I'm a registered independent[/quote:afd30]

Theres no such thing. You may be REGISTERED under the ambiguous banner of INDEPENDENT - but you're political ideology firmly plants you somewhere.

[quote:afd30]Well shit. It was never proven Iraq was a threat to the Us[/quote:afd30]

And what major thread did GERMANY present to us?

[quote:afd30]So many US soldiers will die for nothing, you cant bring democracy into Iraq.[/quote:afd30]

Im sure they said the same thing about the Colonies:

"You'll never be able to get out from under the throne" -

Or hell S. Africa:

"You'll never get rid of apartheid"

How the hell do you expect progress and change to happen? REVOLUTION has been the time tested cure for OPPRESSION. The United States. France. Germany. S. Africa. China (ok bad example). All over the world violence and sacrafice are what SOLIDIFIED change - not flowery words. There were MANY diplomats in the 1800's who wanted to end slavery - but it took a fucking Civil War to bring it to fruition.