[Nyck]

you believe what you want.

Ill err on the side of caution and believe what I want.

there is nothing at all idiotic about what I'm saying. Iran wants nuclear technology okay, prove to me that they deserve it. Hell lets hook up afghanastan with a few and leave a few in Iraq and North Korea to boot.

NUKES FOR EVERYONE.

I mean honestly okay would you feel better if the United States of America and the UK ceased all nuclear weapons and disarmed them or gave them all to Iran and North Korea and everyother 3rd world country

[elstatec]

Yes i would want those countries to just disarm and have no nuclear weapons but that would never happen.

But the point i am saying is there is no reason why Iran cannot have nuclear technology which is totally separate from Nuclear Weapons, and I believe they whole bullshit on this whole situation is that so many people are ignorant to the fact that they are the same thing.

If America, Russia, Israel, UK etc can have these weapons to imtimidate, and when Iran cannot, plus the state of Iraq now well, no ones the innocent.




But please show me any evidence at all that Iran has a nuclear weapon program, nuclear weapons at all which you are stating is why they use this technology, which this whole matter is about and which sounds so similar to a previous situation in Iraq.

[c312]

statec must have been born in Tehran.

why have oil prices increased since the war if that was the sole reason? I mean, yeah, it's easy to jump on the bandwagon and shout "no blood for oil", it's quite convenient, true? not so much, but definately easy.

if anyone here sounds idiotic its you statec.

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Trunks

Iran/the president of Iran has clearly stated numerous times that he wants the destruction of Israel. Is a man who claims to want the destruction of an entire country, and even worse, an entire race, religion.

Originally Posted by Machette

Like I said, Ayatollah Khomeini said the same thing...did it happen? No.

On a side note let's be realistic, I want to show you guys something that has value to the debate about nuclear weapons. The IAEA is trying everything it can to get non-proliferation around the world. A question was posed to Mohamed ElBaradei at the Carnegie international nuclear conference..this is the question. "Shouldn't we start off by absolving the weapons from the U.S"
ElBaradeis response: "We should start off with the countries trying to get the weapons, then build our way to bigger problems like the U.S"
Unfortunately for the IAEA it has a budget of 200$ million a year which is very low considering the importance of the cause, the boston red sox team uses the same amount in a year, which ElBaradei noted laughing.

It is unfortunate that we can not absolve nuclear weapons, but I am inclined to believe that maybe Iran is just building a nuclear weapon to flaunt its neighbours not to start a new nuclear war. These are my assumptions of course.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by elstatec

and i love how you say
'I am AMAZED that some one from a western superpower believes that fucking Iran wants nuclear technology for "energy purposes'
you sound so so soo idiotic and well just makes me love to keep arguing because its just hilarious how dumb you sound.

I really don't view that as being hilarious. It is kinda scary if you ask me.

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by c312

why have oil prices increased since the war if that was the sole reason? I mean, yeah, it's easy to jump on the bandwagon and shout "no blood for oil", it's quite convenient, true? not so much, but definately easy.

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/rsepResourc ... leEast.asp

sums it up pretty well, idiot.

sleeping:


and i hear what you are saying machette on that issue, similiar new article with the Prince of Saudi Arabia saying "..... to call for a nuclear-free zone in the Gulf." Which sounds good and all but with Israel having every WMD known to man, that will never happen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 615832.stm

[c312]

Originally Posted by elstatec

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/rsepResourc ... leEast.asp

sums it up pretty well, idiot.

[quote:5e9d5]Credible forecasts of oil prices are difficult to make at this time only twelve days into the conflict. Clearly many yet unknown military and market events will play out in the coming days that would modify any forecast made at this time. Several impressionistic observations can be drawn however:[/quote:5e9d5]

stfu dumbass, read the article before you say something. It says that twelve days into the forecast the prices hadn't stopped their trend of dropping. if it was recent, it would show the prices spiking to nearly 3 times the price per barrel on the last date in their graphs. Haven't you been reading in the news about record oil prices per barrel?

[elstatec]

no you stfu dumbass, yes it is wrote only 12 days and i fully realised that fool, its the articles look at previous conflicts/scenearios in the area compared to the oil prices and that is what im highlighting.


Still doesnt explain at all why Iran should not be allowed nuclear energy which this is truely about even with your efforts to go offtopic and make the Iraq war justifiable sleeping:

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Machete

Like I said, Ayatollah Khomeini said the same thing...did it happen? No.

Then again, Khomeini never possessed/wasn't in the prossess of possessing nuclear arms, now was he?

[Machette]

That's true but it could just be a trend passing down through leaders, Arabs like hearing that sort of rhetoric, its being like that for years...Like I said I don't think if he acquires nuclear weapons hes immediately going to launch nuclear weapons at Israel...hes smarter than that. It's all about nuclear detterence and the MAD (mutually assured destruction theory).

[rdeyes]

i could see them having nukes if they had a moderate president that wasnt bent on blowing up israel , or one that supposedly a former hostage taker

[Machette]

Did you read anything in this thread? sleeping:

[Johnj]

Iran can't even keep their aircraft flying, letting them have a nuclear reactor is just begging for trouble.






Like another Chernobyl.


annoy:

[c312]

Originally Posted by elstatec

no you stfu dumbass, yes it is wrote only 12 days and i fully realised that fool, its the articles look at previous conflicts/scenearios in the area compared to the oil prices and that is what im highlighting.


Still doesnt explain at all why Iran should not be allowed nuclear energy which this is truely about even with your efforts to go offtopic and make the Iraq war justifiable sleeping:

you are the one who started on Iraq, not me, i was only replying to your claim that the current war in Iraq was for oil. You gave me evidence about the past in which oil prices went down even though during the current war they have increased.

/Iraq subject

[elstatec]

Originally Posted by c312

you are the one who started on Iraq, not me, i was only replying to your claim that the current war in Iraq was for oil. You gave me evidence about the past in which oil prices went down even though during the current war they have increased.

/Iraq subject

actually under the 'Oil Price Movements During a Crisis' in that article it explains situation where the oil increases price.

/Iraq subject