[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

i think it should stay legal everywhere because it is a law that protects the minority. i dont think the decision should be based on whether 51% or 60% of people disagree with abortion.

I'm pretty sure close to 100% of fetuses disagree with abortion.

[Stammer]

What good does banning abortion do? People will still go out and get one either in a backalley or with a clothes hanger, should we ban back alleys and clothes hangers while were at it?

It's like banning condoms in an effort to promote abstinence, people are still going to have sex. Which is even funnier because most of the over-zealous religious people who are against abortion are also against contraceptives maybe not openly but you might hear them say things like "They don't always work, and you can AIDs through them!"

Because to some of these people condoms and birth-control pills are considered abortions, apparently life begins the moment you think about sex.

Also Nyck, you need to keep in mind that it's easy for you to say "Be responsible!" but some people get caught up in a bad situation not rape but just make a stupid mistake. They shouldn't have to be penalized for making a mistake, especially when it comes to their future, and their right to choose whether or not they wish to be parents.

Edit: I'm not exactly sure on the facts or figures but I'd be willing to assume that the large number of abortions are from teenage girls, don't you remember being a stupid kid?

[Nyck]

define "some people get caught up in a bad situation"

I mean Guess what happens when you have sex without protection Its a risk you take

[Johnj]

Originally Posted by Judas

too bad someone didnt abort you.

Originally Posted by Pyro

I don't have the intelligence to be right or wrong, it is just assumptions and an opinion.

[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Stammer

What good does banning abortion do? People will still go out and get one either in a backalley or with a clothes hanger,...

Well, it would make folks think about their behavior a little more. I've heard that "they'll use a clothes hanger" argument alot. I'm sure that a few would...they did in the past... but I think abortion is so easy these days that the numbers have exploded. I'm sure the number of hangers used in any given year in the past is a tiny fraction of the number of abortions that were done in a single day in 2005.

[Short Hand]

Abortion would not have to be a choice if society helped these unexpected mothers more...

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Stammer

Because to some of these people condoms and birth-control pills are considered abortions, apparently life begins the moment you think about sex.
?

rolleyes:

It's not that the Catholic Church thinks that condoms are abortions. Get your facts straight. They just don't like using any sort of contraceptive besides planned menstual cycles. They think it takes away the purpose of sex, which is to produce a "child of God". There is no way in hell that anyone could say a sperm cell in the tip of a condom is a baby.

and technically, you're not really "married" in the eyes of God until you have sex. That's when everything is finalized in the religion.

just thought you'd like those little FYI's before you speak again.

[Machette]

So when is the supreme court going to look over this issue again? I really need to read up on the American justice system.. oOo:

[c312]

They will review it when a case is brought to them, meaning if someone in SD wants an abortion and challenges the law. With appeals and what not, it will probably take a couple years.

[Jesters8]

Originally Posted by c312

They will review it when a case is brought to them, meaning if someone in SD wants an abortion and challenges the law. With appeals and what not, it will probably take a couple years.

Yup, that's right. Someone actually has to challenge it in court and then appeal all the way to the Supreme Court. Planned Parenthood, which operates the only abortion clinic in SD is already planning to challenge it. However, people are donating money to the government of SD to fight the challenges. One donor is reported to have pledged $1 million.

[Madmartagen]

whats with all the 'if shes pregnant, deal with it' responses? you 'pro lifers' force your moral opinions on other people about how life is sacred, but then cut funding for mothers who cant afford to raise kids - precisely why they wanted the abortion in the first place. a woman getting an abortion doesnt affect your life in any way, so why does your opinion matter? why do people feel like they can express some opinion on someone elses life, when it is none of their business? you think a zygote, embryo or some fertilized egg is a human being or it has some kind of ghostly spirit, but maybe the mother doesnt. maybe she doesnt believe in that shit and maybe, just maybe, she doesnt have the same moral opinions that you do. maybe you should worry about your own affairs and keep your noses out of other peoples business. i find it so hypocritical that guys on this forum say that she shouldnt have sex if she cant plan for the consequences, when you dont even take into consideration the large amount of single mothers out there caused by dead beat dads.. condoms and birth control arent 100% effective, and using contraceptives shows - IMO a clear attempt in avoiding pregnancy. Just because a girl gets pregnant and wants an abortion doesnt mean that she was banging a ton of guys w/o any protection; and even if she was, youre gonna tell me that she should be forced to have a baby? for what reason? what possible reason could be valid to force another person to raise a kid that they arent ready mentaly or financially to care for? If youre gonna tell someone that they cant have an abortion because it insults your grande moral character than you should adopt a kid every year. Im shocked at how many orphans and poor kids in the world there are today given the VAST amount of morally superior people in this country - many of which also just happen to be adament gun and death penalty supporters.

i would also like to point out that if it werent for women and the sexual freedoms they have today, NONE of you kids would be getting laid today as well as the old timers who wouldnt have gotten any pie back in the days. keep that in mind next time you think that girls shouldnt be having sex if they and they alone arent willling to accept the consequences.

[Coleman]

i think your whole argument about abortion and death penalty not making any sense could be explained easily. The "aborted child" did nothing wrong. The person on death row did something to put themselves there.

[Madmartagen]

the aborted "child" is a non-issue. it isnt yours, what do you care? you arent going to pay for it, you arent going to raise it, you arent going to spend the next 20+ years taking care of it - you wont even notice its existence. imo, a mothers welfare is more important than that of something that isnt even born yet. you dont share the same opinion as i do - but yet none of us will ever get pregnant....

you take the mind of a newly pregnant woman and you can see that she views this fetus as a threat to her life - whether its a physical or other. its a serious roadblock. when it comes time, she's gonna have to make a choice on whether she is going to let it ruin her life or have it aborted and move on. why do you feel that others should make that choice for her?

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

the aborted "child" is a non-issue. it isnt yours, what do you care? you arent going to pay for it, you arent going to raise it, you arent going to spend the next 20+ years taking care of it - you wont even notice its existence. imo, a mothers welfare is more important than that of something that isnt even born yet. you dont share the same opinion as i do - but yet none of us will ever get pregnant....

you take the mind of a newly pregnant woman and you can see that she views this fetus as a threat to her life - whether its a physical or other. its a serious roadblock. when it comes time, she's gonna have to make a choice on whether she is going to let it ruin her life or have it aborted and move on. why do you feel that others should make that choice for her?

Well, you know I'm a fairly religious person and you do not share my views. I do not hold anything against you with that and I'm more than sure you don't hold it against me either. That's been established before.

I just don't understand how you can say, "she is going to let IT RUIN her life or have IT aborted and move on." I believe a child is something very sacred to me in my eyes, whether it was intended to be born or not. It isn't something that is as simple as making a decision to get your value meal Supersized or not. Eveything has a plan in life (another thing you probably disagree with me on that really doesn't have any gray area).

When it comes to mothers' health, well I think the family should decide what they want to do. In other words, abortions would be legal and "ok". Some families/mothers, as crazy as it sounds, would love to see their child grow up and lead a life. It's a sacrifice in their eyes. Let them do what they feel is right. The MOTHER knowingly can make a decision. The baby/fetus has no say in anything.

[Nyck]

I'm sorry but a child is never going "ruin" your life. It could bring hardships, but people should be thinking of that when they do the deed. That is a "risk" you take when doing it.

some US states
"47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions."

1 out of every 2 women getting an abortion have had this occur already showing IMO Gross Negligence.

Then its funny that 54% of the women say they used contreceptives.

There are 110 million women roughly in the US circa 2001 and 1 million abortions. 1 out of 10 women have it done, while the failure rate of contreceptives is usually less than 5%

This shows that if they are using these contreceptives they are being used incorrectly.

the largest reason for abortion(32%) is too young/immature/not ready for responsibility, Yet they feel they are old enough/mature enough/ready to have sex.