[ninty]

did you look at any of the photos in the link I posted? Their argument is those southern states are their homes.


Mexican perspective:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/15 ... me=default

again, i'm not siding with them here.

I don't want illegals in my country, and if I were american, I wouldn't want them there either.

[Madmartagen]

its a protest, people do that to flags when protesting. they are proud of their heritage (hence the mexican flags) while protesting the US govt (upside down flags). whats the problem?

[c312]

We're talking about people who were born in Mexico, the moved here illegally, how are they entitled to American land if they weren't even born there?

[ninty]

Because it wasn't always america's land. the british french spanish dutch etc came to this continent and basically took it over. their argument is part of the land that is today called america was once theirs because they are the indiginous people of the land.

[BeanerMan]

I do not agree with the students actually waving the Mexican flag and turning the USA flag upside down. That is plain stupidity on their part. I am the son of immigrant parents. I was lucky enough to have been born in the USA. I know why these people protest and want immigration reform. If you look at the Los Angeles protest where 500,000 people marched, the majority of them waved American flags. Now these dumb students, most of them don't know squat on why they are even protesting. The only reason they do it is to cut class. Others just want to portray themselves as rebels by waving the Mexican flag so they are seemed as being supportive of immigration reform. Pay no attention to these idiots. If undocumented immigrants want reform to favor them, they need to show that they love this country, they want to assimilate, and follow the law. The ones I know fully love this country and the opportunity it gives them. I understand why some people don't care about what they say and just want them deported as they gained entry into this country illegally. Try to look at the situation through their eyes. Coming from a shitty country like Mexico, I would know my parents are Mexican, my mother likes going there at least every year mostly because our family is there. Besides that, I could care less about the Mexican government. It's filled with corruption and crime and thus I avoid it. Only reason I would go is again because family is over there and my heritage. Its not feasible to try and deport 12 to 20 million people and send them back to a country they haven't been in for years. An example would be a good friend of mine. This friend went to high school with me. He graduated, works, and is still going to community college. Now this poor bastard has to work his ass off to work here and go to school here. He was not as lucky as I was; he was brought here illegally by his parents when he was 7 years old. He is as American as anyone born here. He has never been to his home country since he has been here. He doesn't remember it. Contrary to popular myth and stereotypical thought, he does not leech off the system. He is not on welfare, has no type of medical insurance, or gets financial aid to go to college. He works because he has a false social security. He gets paid with a check. He pays taxes, and contributes to the social security fund even though he will never get a dime of it. My point is if tough immigration reform is passed, it is not fair to people like my friend. It was not his fault that he came here illegally and now lives here, is assimilated, all around American. He knows no other home but the United States. There has to be a reasonable resolution to this problem. Protect the border however you want. The best solution is already on the tables with the McCain and Kennedy bill.

[c312]

Originally Posted by ninty

Because it wasn't always america's land. the british french spanish dutch etc came to this continent and basically took it over. their argument is part of the land that is today called america was once theirs because they are the indiginous people of the land.

ok, we dont give indians their land either, besides Ill bet most of the illegal immigrants probably dont have ancestral lineage that traces back to US land.

and mad, does it make sense to be so proud of their heritage when they completely up and left that country because it sucked so bad? no, it doesnt make sense to put more pride in your heritage from a country that you left becuase it sucked than the country you currently live in that gives you so many more opportunities.

[Madmartagen]

not everyone in the parade was an 'illegal' immigrant, alot of the kids over here ditched school to protest. they were born here and are citizens. they are protesting to keep their parents and grandparents here. they are excercising their rights to free speech, what are you guys doing? you guys are just sitting here moaning on an internet board. if you dont want them here, organize your own protest or something.

[c312]

yeah, it's pretty obvious that they are protesting, thanks for pointing it out though. what I'm saying is the flag thing was just stupid. And you're right, they WERE born here, so why do they disrespect his country and put Mexico over it? wouldn't that imply they prefer Mexico to the United States? or at least that they have more pride for Mexico than the US? As you pointed out, they are americans, so why are they placing their prideful like a mexican citizen?

[Madmartagen]

cause people who have a strong sense of pride in their heritage consider their home country just as important as the old country. putting the flag upside down is a symbol of protest, thats it. you cant go to any concert, protest or whatever w/o seeing the brazilian or jamaican flag for some reason. people in NY have irish and italian flags and display both when they march in St patricks day parades and stuff like that. its just a matter of opinion. i dont see it as disrespecting the country, just angry at the govt.

[c312]

it is disrespectful, the flag is a venerated object, their are protocols for displaying it that if not followed, constitute disrespect. Whether or not that is silly doesn't matter, that's the way it is, and that's what it represents.

[Machette]

Flags upside down means a country in distress..whats wrong with doing that?

[c312]

Originally Posted by Machette

Flags upside down means a country in distress..whats wrong with doing that?

the way they did the flag business was disrespectful, that's my main point, along with their other actions, it just seemed what they did was ironic, that's all.

[Machette]

You believe deportation will end the problem though?

[c312]

I never said that.

[Machette]

It was a question I was posing to you.